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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head in the Clery he turned up hurts

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my father held his hand and he looked in

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hello everyone and welcome to the show

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this is Martyn Willis your host and we

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do not have Alejandro Rojas coming up

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with the news he's on a beach somewhere

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in Southern California as we speak well

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our guest tonight is Richard Souder PhD

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and we may get a little bit off of the

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UFO topic we'll be talking about his

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books and a lot more his books include

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not especially in this order but

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underwater and underground bases hidden

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in plain sight and underground and so

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thank Sean Paul Carl thank you all for

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signing up I appreciate that now

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Alejandro like I said is not here but

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news myself and all of these news

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stories you can see the links to the

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original stories

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and pictures etc right in our show notes

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on podcast UFO calm well similar UFOs

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appear over Japan and US cities and this

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of it was written by Lee Spiegel strange

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and they're very very similar if you

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look at the pictures you can see the

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picture right on our show notes of how

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these look almost exactly alike and yet

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they could be Chinese lanterns but they

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them I think was really interesting

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taped and posted to Facebook and this

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was by a Wisconsin police officer and it

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and he and his partner saw these lights

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about is UFO watching the Apollo landing

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able to explain why it looks like in an

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like UFOs and look like aliens and this

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them right now Richard Saud are you

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quick background to the listener who may

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not be familiar with who you are well I

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any rate in South America I do this in

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sociology in Latin American Studies in

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political science and a fourth degree in

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perhaps best known for my series of

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event called event horizon Chronicle dr.

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blog spot.com that's event horizon

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international following and a very solid

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plugg of thousands of people in the

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United States also who read my blog and

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that's a little about me uh-huh

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now do I get the hint that you may

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becoming an expat you may move to South

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America is that what you just said much

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money without much money and I have very

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little money just to get rid of your

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thousand bucks that I don't have and and

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then acquiring a residency visa in

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another country costs many more

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thousands of dollars that I don't have

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so for one of money it's not a very

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feasible route for me wellness and

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naturalize that way so far I have not

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met the woman that I would prefer to

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marry and so I haven't pursued that

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a cat but yes if if I were financially

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the expat agenda as it is I am making my

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struggle but here I am yeah yeah and

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your books are they pretty well read you

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had one I saw you have some on Richard

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Dolan press well my my latest book which

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came out in 2010 is hidden in plain

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sight beyond the x-files which deals

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underwater and underground base's and

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the government trying to hide and those

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unlimited press in Illinois and all of

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for a long time or someone I want to get

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could talk about us owes you know the

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unidentified submerged objects because

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of mine and I'm sure with these

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underground bases is that any does any

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part of that touch on the USO well not

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directly but you know the the the book

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that first attracted a lot of a tension

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residents he goes into that subject in

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many unidentified submarine objects that

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ie and an interplanetary UFO or

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pretty favorable for tunneling and

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underground working salt mine that's

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shaft something down and then tunnels go

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a facility facility like that and one or

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is you don't need to have

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interplanetary technology to make

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accommodating human beings for example

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then a breathable atmosphere you can do

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it with off-the-shelf 20th century

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mining technology and in fact that that

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was done and as mines are there so it

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could be that either the military United

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States military or some other secretive

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facilities under Lake Erie now I believe

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objects coming and going from Lake Erie

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invisible or resonance this activity has

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been going on for years it's not just a

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one-time thing I strongly suspect there

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if you like bed of Lake Erie down in the

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sub lake bottom geological strata

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exactly who is down there and exactly

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know but I know that geology is

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favorable for tunning they're tunneling

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they're rock salt is comparatively easy

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to excavate and tunnel out and in the

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case of a covert government operation

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front company and recoup some money or

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black funding so that wouldn't be

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difficult to do business standpoint of

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modern mining technology or civil

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engineering technology and the same goes

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for the Detroit area and running over

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underneath rather large region in that

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part of North America now I remember

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hearing something about some type of

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base or yeah I mean it was talked about

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a lot off of the coast of Florida

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has any of your research looked into any

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anything about that in particular which

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Coast you talking about the Atlantic

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coast of the Gulf Coast I thought it was

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a the Atlantic coast but I'm not sure

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talked toward toward Bermuda or

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something up well if it were toward

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Bermuda that would be actually further

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off than just the continental shelf

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Bermuda's about what 400 miles off the

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coast it's several hundred miles out to

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sea that whole area though whether

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you're talking about the continental

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shelf of North America

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or on the other side of the Florida

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peninsula in the Gulf the technology

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certainly exists to make underground or

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on undersea facilities I talk about this

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in my

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second and third book on this topic in

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underwater in an underground basis and

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then in hidden in plain sight beyond the

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x-files the technology to do this has

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been around since at least the mid 1960s

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I was told by one of my sources who went

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silent on me after the 9/11 attacks in

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2001 but before that happened he was

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telling me about a installation that

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Parsons has ostensibly made in the Gulf

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of Mexico he believed it was in

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somewhere in eastern and northeastern of

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Mexico he worked with a a mining company

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that provides a certain kind of life

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support system that is only used in deep

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underground excavations in the case of

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this particular project he was told that

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the equipment was for use in a facility

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in the northeastern Gulf of Mexico or

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the eastern Gulf of Mexico and because

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that equipment is only used in a deep

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underground hardrock mining environment

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he knew that had to be used in a subsea

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floor type of environment because the

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project was in the Gulf of Mexico not

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near to it but in the Gulf of Mexico the

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technology to tunnel out under the

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seafloor from onshore or to tunnel out

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on the sea floor from an island whether

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it's a natural island like Bermuda where

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has been around for a long time or

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alternatively to cut a large diameter

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bore hole right in seafloor and then

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sink a large stainless steel sealed tank

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or pipe into that it would be large

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diameter 8 10 20 feet across into that

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with an airlock on it seal it in there

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with rapid setting cement and and

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through the airlock evacuate all the

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water that was inside the tube and

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introduce a breathable atmosphere then

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you can through the airlock put it in a

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crew of miners and also you can put in

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machinery to excavate under the sea

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floor with and from the the bottom then

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of that tube which could be 50 feet long

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or 100 feet long harvey long wanted to

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be could have living quarters inside it

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and life-support systems but from the

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bottom of that then you could tunnel out

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and begin to make a network and over

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time you could expand it keep bringing

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down more machinery more personnel and

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given even the technology that existed

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decades ago you would have been able to

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make a tunnel system beneath the

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seafloor many miles long in just a few

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years now this is all discussed in a

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document that I obtained from the United

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States Navy that came out of the China

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Lake naval weapons station in 1966

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entitled the rock site concept roc Kas

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ite and the idea was exactly what I've

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explained under the rocks I kept the eye

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the plan was to build very large very

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deep manned installations beneath the

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seafloor including well out to sea I

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mean hundreds of miles office

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in which submarines actual ocean-going

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military submarines would come in and

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and dock at berths inside these

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facilities and the crews would then have

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areas for rest and recreation where they

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could live and work the illustrations

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that I came across in my research

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indicated that these was thought these

378
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were going to be designed to accommodate

379
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four five six large military submarines

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at a time and they would come in through

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huge underwater airlocks which would be

382
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they'd have to be about 100 month 100

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feet in diameter and then the submarines

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would come through there and would dock

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way down beneath the the ocean

386
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and also the Stanford Research Institute

387
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came out with a very similar R&D or

388
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planning document just two or three

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years after that expanding on that

390
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concept a little bit and in these

391
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documents there were a number of

392
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purposes given for these facilities of

393
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course the military purpose undersea

394
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submarine bases and also undersea

395
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nuclear missile bases where the nuclear

396
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missiles would be embedded in the sea

397
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floor and missile silos way down there

398
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thousands of feet and a sea floor or as

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scientific research stations for

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oceanography for geology for seismology

401
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for a variety of different studies that

402
00:21:35,509 --> 00:21:32,029
you could do in that environment or

403
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alternatively as industrial facilities

404
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for example as geothermal power plants

405
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or as potentially as as mines you know

406
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you might run across rich rich deposit

407
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of anything gold platinum diamonds

408
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in mineral resources or petroleum wells

409
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oil wells down in his facilities down we

410
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need to see floor where oil could be

411
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drilled away from the harsh undersea

412
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environment and then the pipeline and

413
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siphon off the petroleum so everything

414
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counts I've been taught so these have

415
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been have been built and I strongly

416
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suspect based on what I've heard and

417
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:38,940
have been told that some of these are

418
00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:41,730
definitely not terrestrial human

419
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facilities that there do seem to be some

420
00:22:51,170 --> 00:22:48,480
off-planet groups coming here there may

421
00:22:54,530 --> 00:22:51,180
or may not be human but it does appear

422
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:54,540
some of them look pretty human and for

423
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whatever reason have set up shop down

424
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way beneath the sea for one thing you

425
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get a whole lot of physics physical

426
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:06,960
security by doing that and only those

427
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:10,170
with advanced technology that enables

428
00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:13,380
them to sail around thousands of feet

429
00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:15,750
beneath the sea surface could come

430
00:23:21,290 --> 00:23:18,780
calling so so it's a little bit of an

431
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:21,300
introduction to that thank you

432
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your your mic is cutting out a little

433
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:25,740
bit here and there but we're moving

434
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,020
along because there's really nothing we

435
00:23:34,550 --> 00:23:30,840
can do at this point about that pardon

436
00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:34,560
me but what would be the advantage of

437
00:23:41,030 --> 00:23:38,100
having these underground I you did

438
00:23:44,030 --> 00:23:41,040
mention a possible geothermal power

439
00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:44,040
plant and but I mean what would be the

440
00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:47,550
advantage for submarine bases so they

441
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:50,310
wouldn't have to surf this or Oh what

442
00:23:56,740 --> 00:23:52,980
are your thoughts on that I don't know

443
00:24:02,150 --> 00:23:56,750
in the documentation that I ran across

444
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:02,160
didn't explain that why the Navy would

445
00:24:06,410 --> 00:24:03,050
want to have

446
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:06,420
undersea submarine bases one reason that

447
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:09,710
was given which I mentioned was to put

448
00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:12,570
nuclear missile silos down in the

449
00:24:18,650 --> 00:24:13,920
seafloor away

450
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:18,660
understood I believe that may have been

451
00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:22,530
done so that would be one rate another

452
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:25,350
reason that was mentioned in literature

453
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:32,640
I just to have undersea man hydrophone

454
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:36,120
bases or acoustic listening bases where

455
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:39,240
they would be able to spy on submarine

456
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:40,710
traffic of other countries for example

457
00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:44,360
or ship traffic or I would presume

458
00:24:51,020 --> 00:24:48,150
probably also on UFO traffic sensors

459
00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:51,030
seem to be a number of UFOs coming and

460
00:24:57,230 --> 00:24:53,640
going from the oceans and seas of this

461
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,240
planet so that those are the things that

462
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:00,240
I saw explicitly mentioned not the UFO

463
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:04,320
part but the to have underwater acoustic

464
00:25:12,530 --> 00:25:09,210
or or listening stations and also the

465
00:25:15,260 --> 00:25:12,540
idea of of stationing nuclear missile

466
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:15,270
bases at great depth we need to see

467
00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:19,050
along with a manned component I think

468
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:21,540
that may have been done I do believe

469
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:25,890
that in the case of basis for submarines

470
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:30,960
that it could give an extra layer of

471
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:33,890
security to have some shall we say

472
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,980
off-the-books nuclear submarines that go

473
00:25:43,820 --> 00:25:40,320
sailing around to secret underground

474
00:25:47,540 --> 00:25:43,830
bases undersea bases and they're off the

475
00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:47,550
books and they go quiet for long periods

476
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:49,830
of time because they are not in the

477
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:52,410
water they're actually buttoned up

478
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:55,050
inside an undersea base I wouldn't rule

479
00:26:00,760 --> 00:25:58,410
out that that is going on but I'm not an

480
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:00,770
insider so I couldn't say for sure

481
00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:05,640
uh-huh now what about underground web

482
00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:07,920
before I move on there was something

483
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,230
that came up on the message board and

484
00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:13,260
there's another radio host that claims

485
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:16,380
there is this deep massive underwater

486
00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:18,840
base somewhere off the coast of

487
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:21,860
California you need not mention the host

488
00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:26,250
I don't I don't I don't think much of

489
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:29,430
the so-called shall we say in quotation

490
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:31,950
marks research that's behind that claim

491
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:34,110
look I proceeded I perceive that as

492
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:37,010
pretty well grade a disinformation

493
00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:42,120
whether willful or just down-home not

494
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:43,680
knowing much what you're doing I

495
00:26:50,060 --> 00:26:47,840
couldn't say but I've looked at those

496
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:50,070
some of the images that they've been

497
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:51,090
posted to the end

498
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:54,360
Internet's allegedly off of Malibu

499
00:27:03,200 --> 00:26:57,480
how very Southern California can you get

500
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:03,210
but to me it just looked like ordinary

501
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:07,410
geological features I I didn't run I

502
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:09,720
didn't run across any reference to that

503
00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:12,450
in my research I would however say that

504
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:15,380
I do not discount the possibility of

505
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:18,390
undersea facilities off the coast of

506
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,140
California

507
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:21,840
however the barriers that I would look

508
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:24,810
at in particular would be the Monterey

509
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:29,640
area and further south Long Beach area

510
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:32,580
and then going further south to Channel

511
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:35,850
Islands between LA and San Diego those

512
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:38,930
would be the three places that I would

513
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:42,810
most strongly suspect underground bases

514
00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:46,320
in the California region now but this

515
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:53,670
thing that's allegedly off of Malibu no

516
00:27:57,650 --> 00:27:54,570
I don't think so

517
00:27:59,780 --> 00:27:57,660
okay I'm from Missouri on that one you

518
00:28:01,820 --> 00:27:59,790
have to show me and the alleged proof

519
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,830
that's put out been put out on the

520
00:28:06,050 --> 00:28:03,840
Internet I'm sorry

521
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:06,060
it is not proof of an under under

522
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,440
undersea base there

523
00:28:12,410 --> 00:28:10,260
it just isn't yeah okay just for the

524
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:12,420
live listener if you'd like to call in

525
00:28:19,010 --> 00:28:15,000
the show and ask a question that's 603

526
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:19,020
nine six seven four o 3o if you'd like

527
00:28:24,410 --> 00:28:20,730
to jump in the chatroom that's right on

528
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:24,420
podcast UFO calm a real easy sign in for

529
00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:26,970
that here's a nut question on the

530
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,540
message board what is your belief regard

531
00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:32,580
Philip Schneider's claim to the

532
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:36,390
underground base at Dulce well let me

533
00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:38,310
talk about philip snyder a little bit

534
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:40,560
since he talked about me a little bit

535
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:44,370
before he died I did I did speak with

536
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,360
philip snyder on the phone and I told

537
00:28:58,340 --> 00:28:50,760
him frankly you know the claims that

538
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,350
you're making or people just saying I

539
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:01,200
need to see some some proof you say who

540
00:29:06,170 --> 00:29:03,710
involved in these projects for years

541
00:29:09,140 --> 00:29:06,180
show me some evidence of that you must

542
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:09,150
have some evidence so he said I'll send

543
00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:12,050
you a box of evidence the documentation

544
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:15,420
and he never did I never received

545
00:29:19,910 --> 00:29:16,620
anything from him

546
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:19,920
I believe I talked to him twice three

547
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:22,440
times at the most but I think it was too

548
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:25,530
reasonably long phone conversations he

549
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:26,670
never sent me anything

550
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:33,000
and it turned up dead the other thing

551
00:29:41,270 --> 00:29:35,970
about that is before he died he was

552
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:41,280
publicly saying that Richard Serra a PhD

553
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:44,250
architect who worked on the underground

554
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:52,860
facilities was risking something his his

555
00:29:58,670 --> 00:29:55,050
life or his well-being or whatever to

556
00:30:02,980 --> 00:29:58,680
talk about these things and clearly

557
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:02,990
referring to me but in in the account

558
00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:06,720
that he gave that's out on the internet

559
00:30:13,790 --> 00:30:11,280
my last name is misspelled my personal

560
00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:13,800
credentials are are bad they

561
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:16,790
misrepresented I don't have a PhD in

562
00:30:20,780 --> 00:30:19,020
architecture I've never had any

563
00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:20,790
involvement with the field of

564
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:24,390
architecture profession academically I

565
00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:26,430
don't have any qualification in the

566
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:28,680
field never worked in the field so that

567
00:30:34,580 --> 00:30:32,610
is just flat 100% wrong and my name is

568
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:34,590
misspelled and then the other thing is

569
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:37,050
he says that I worked on these projects

570
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:42,270
and that is also flatly false as well

571
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,620
I have research

572
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:46,320
the topic but I've never worked on those

573
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:48,600
projects I've never been any kind of

574
00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:51,630
insider I've never been in the alphabet

575
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:54,270
soup or worked for the corporation's

576
00:31:00,799 --> 00:30:58,020
involved so what I'm telling you is if

577
00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:00,809
he could get my basic personal and

578
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:04,470
professional details so wrong after

579
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:07,230
talking with me on the phone two times

580
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:11,940
that at some length then how are we to

581
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:15,000
believe other more sensational claims of

582
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:19,830
his I've found him to not be thinking

583
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:23,929
clearly at all now and then he died so

584
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:26,130
what I'm telling you and your listeners

585
00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:31,980
is flesh and blood person I'm not a I'm

586
00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:34,350
not a mysterious underground base or or

587
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:37,980
an elusive alien race here to do god

588
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,500
knows what I'm a flesh-and-blood man I'm

589
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:42,799
I'm walking around and living my life

590
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:45,059
like everyone else in the middle of

591
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:48,720
society and have been for decades so if

592
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:53,130
he could get my basic biographical and

593
00:32:00,680 --> 00:31:57,240
professional details so wrong then I

594
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,690
have doubts as to most of the rest of

595
00:32:05,659 --> 00:32:03,600
his story now people will say but he's

596
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:05,669
got burnt he had burns on his chest I

597
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,580
never saw his chest but giving giving

598
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:10,980
that part of the story the benefit of

599
00:32:17,539 --> 00:32:14,279
the doubt let's say he had burns on his

600
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,549
chest or elsewhere on his body please

601
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:20,399
understand that there are many ways in

602
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:24,299
this world to get burned and one of the

603
00:32:29,299 --> 00:32:26,730
least likely ways to get burned is being

604
00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:29,309
shot in the chest by an alien with some

605
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:35,190
Star Trek ray gun it's guys get burned

606
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:37,710
all the time working on projects in a

607
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:40,289
shop or the and taking a blowtorch to

608
00:32:47,899 --> 00:32:44,390
the oil pan on a car some you know

609
00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:47,909
things called ideas they have I mean you

610
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:49,830
might say no one's that dumb to do that

611
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:51,750
well I'm telling you it happens every

612
00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:55,049
day I've worked in industry where I

613
00:32:59,279 --> 00:32:56,950
worked with blowtorch within a set

614
00:33:02,370 --> 00:32:59,289
towards and I was really careful I never

615
00:33:04,169 --> 00:33:02,380
got badly burned as few sparks and and

616
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:04,179
that's it but when you're working with

617
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:07,330
acetylene torches with arc welders with

618
00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:10,330
that kind of thing you can't get burned

619
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:12,760
in pretty badly and it's not that hard

620
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:15,850
to happen so I don't know how Phil

621
00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:18,970
Schneider got burned if indeed he was

622
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:22,360
and it's for the rest of his story the

623
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:25,570
same thing goes just because he very

624
00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:29,679
mellow dramatically said in the months

625
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:31,269
and a couple of years before he died

626
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:33,279
that you know I worked on a deep

627
00:33:38,129 --> 00:33:35,620
underground base in Dulce New Mexico and

628
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:38,139
you know I was in a firefight with these

629
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,210
little aliens and blah blah blah

630
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:43,120
I never seen any proof of that beyond

631
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,919
Phil Schneider's say-so right yeah there

632
00:33:52,529 --> 00:33:49,600
was there was a lot of controversy about

633
00:33:54,779 --> 00:33:52,539
that being some disinformation as well

634
00:33:56,129 --> 00:33:54,789
the Paul bennewitz case and all that I

635
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:56,139
don't know if you ever

636
00:34:03,360 --> 00:33:59,200
yes Paul bennewitz case is very part of

637
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:03,370
that whole disinformation Paul Bennett

638
00:34:09,569 --> 00:34:07,120
bennewitz was set up by Richard Doty and

639
00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:09,579
other Air Force intelligence operatives

640
00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:11,710
that Kirtland Air Force Base in New

641
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:16,990
Mexico right I did had some contact with

642
00:34:21,240 --> 00:34:19,210
the bennewitz family now his his his

643
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:21,250
laboratory Thunder laboratory Thunder

644
00:34:27,809 --> 00:34:24,730
labs was right by the gate of Kirtland

645
00:34:32,569 --> 00:34:27,819
Air Force Base and I I used to live out

646
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:32,579
there go so I went to the laboratory and

647
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:35,169
talked with his son the son was very

648
00:34:38,359 --> 00:34:35,919
evasive

649
00:34:44,609 --> 00:34:38,369
by that time Paul was not very

650
00:34:46,530 --> 00:34:44,619
communicative he still alive but he was

651
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:46,540
badly burned you mentally and

652
00:34:54,270 --> 00:34:48,609
emotionally and psychologically by that

653
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:54,280
whole episode and yet they produced

654
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,190
produced a map or two above the area

655
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:00,000
just north of Dulce of the arch elated

656
00:35:07,050 --> 00:35:03,190
Mason peak area and it wasn't annotated

657
00:35:09,529 --> 00:35:07,060
annotated with his markings Geological

658
00:35:15,329 --> 00:35:09,539
Survey topo map

659
00:35:17,759 --> 00:35:15,339
topographical map so I I got a really

660
00:35:20,789 --> 00:35:17,769
good high-quality topographical map of

661
00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:20,799
that area and following to the contour

662
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:23,740
line precisely the markings that he had

663
00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:25,930
made I went up there and I climbed the

664
00:35:30,210 --> 00:35:28,180
place and I walked all over none of what

665
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:30,220
he had indicated on the map was there

666
00:35:37,019 --> 00:35:33,420
you know you or for hangar doors

667
00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:37,029
ventilation shaft this that nother thing

668
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:39,700
none of it was there I did see a great

669
00:35:49,799 --> 00:35:44,579
number of perfectly ordinary rocks and

670
00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:49,809
pine trees that hole there there's

671
00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:52,390
something really eerie about that area

672
00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:54,670
of New Mexico did you feel that when you

673
00:36:00,599 --> 00:35:59,170
were there well it's called the whole

674
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:00,609
state is called the Land of Enchantment

675
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:03,400
right there are underground bases in New

676
00:36:09,779 --> 00:36:06,660
Mexico there are at least two on

677
00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:09,789
Kirtland Air Force Base Sandia National

678
00:36:17,099 --> 00:36:14,440
Laboratory and Lovelace there's a

679
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:17,109
Lovelace medical clinic there who does

680
00:36:22,979 --> 00:36:20,170
oh they do medical research there

681
00:36:25,229 --> 00:36:22,989
biomedical research and god knows the

682
00:36:28,999 --> 00:36:25,239
fact that it's right there with Sandia

683
00:36:31,289 --> 00:36:29,009
National Lab and Kirtland Air Force Base

684
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:31,299
immediately stuck suggests to me that

685
00:36:34,349 --> 00:36:31,839
they do

686
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:34,359
black-budget research for the military

687
00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:36,700
industrial complex and then you also

688
00:36:44,309 --> 00:36:40,420
have the Munson office air Manzano

689
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:44,319
underground facility which was begun in

690
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:48,730
the late 1940s initially as a as an

691
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:54,880
underground atom bomb assembly factory

692
00:37:00,930 --> 00:36:57,910
they actually put atom bombs together

693
00:37:04,349 --> 00:37:00,940
down there and New Mexico in the early

694
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:04,359
years the Cold War was a great Center

695
00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:10,140
for building atom bombs in the first

696
00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:12,700
generation of nuclear bombs of course

697
00:37:16,349 --> 00:37:14,200
you still have Sandia National

698
00:37:19,140 --> 00:37:16,359
Laboratory there in Los Alamos National

699
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,150
Laboratory just to the north of there

700
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:21,280
and Hamas mountains

701
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:23,290
and they're both still very actively

702
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:25,510
involved than in those kinds of research

703
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:29,170
and design and much more besides but at

704
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:31,540
that complex just the southeast of

705
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:35,800
Albuquerque New Mexico there is a

706
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,390
serious underground component and it has

707
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:42,640
been for many here I talked to one

708
00:37:47,850 --> 00:37:45,670
expert who when I say expert I mean

709
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:47,860
someone who really really know it's the

710
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:50,170
field from the inside and what I was

711
00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:53,250
told is that the Manzano underground

712
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,230
base is vast I'm not saying it's big I'm

713
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:02,220
not saying it's large he told me it was

714
00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:06,880
vast now I'm prepared to believe that

715
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:11,550
means that it's pros for miles maybe my

716
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:16,170
impression is you know 20 30 40 50 mile

717
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:20,560
there's multiple levels I couldn't tell

718
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:22,900
you what's down there I just couldn't I

719
00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:27,240
think we're talking about tangential

720
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:31,060
compartmentalize society that exists on

721
00:38:37,740 --> 00:38:33,610
our home planet about which we know

722
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:37,750
practically nothing the few crumbs I

723
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:40,420
found in my research I'll actually

724
00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:42,900
qualify that as saying the many crumbs

725
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:46,600
informational crumbs and and in crumbs

726
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:48,730
of documentation that I found in my

727
00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:51,610
research clearly reveal that there's

728
00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:57,390
been seven a long program now of major

729
00:39:04,770 --> 00:39:01,230
underground and it seems undersea

730
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:04,780
construction as well and yet we don't

731
00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:07,920
know what's happening down there I

732
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:12,870
suppose we might know one percent yeah

733
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:16,810
99 percent it's so massively funded so

734
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,350
secretive so large so high-tech guard

735
00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:23,440
knows we we we are being played that's

736
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:25,480
what I'm telling you we are being played

737
00:39:31,890 --> 00:39:29,050
and we don't even know how badly I've

738
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:31,900
heard you know rumors of the black

739
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:34,510
budget being like this mass of

740
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,350
amount of money that goes you know that

741
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:40,960
it disappears and no one knows exactly

742
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:44,170
where it goes so yeah it's it's would be

743
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:46,660
hard to figure that out

744
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:48,940
I wanted to there's a couple questions

745
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:51,760
up I want to get to them in just a

746
00:40:06,960 --> 00:39:55,210
second those one back here wondering if

747
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:10,950
Hey are you there I could not hear you

748
00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:13,410
can you restate the question please

749
00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:18,520
okay you dropped out one of the

750
00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:20,260
questions up on the message board they

751
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:23,500
wanted to know what you thought about an

752
00:40:33,779 --> 00:40:30,809
sure I think Nevada there's all kinds of

753
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:33,789
tunnels beneath it and area 51 is one of

754
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:38,130
those places but not only area 51 I

755
00:40:44,279 --> 00:40:42,430
think it's following Naval Air Station

756
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:44,289
which is in the northern part of the

757
00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:47,220
state and then you have s4 yeah

758
00:40:54,839 --> 00:40:51,940
Nellis Air Force Base and the facilities

759
00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:54,849
here and there around this date by

760
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,119
Nevada is New Mexico it's government

761
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:06,160
facilities and we don't know what

762
00:41:11,789 --> 00:41:09,670
they're doing I think something like 90

763
00:41:14,250 --> 00:41:11,799
percent of Nevada is controlled by

764
00:41:18,269 --> 00:41:14,260
federal agencies including the large

765
00:41:20,339 --> 00:41:18,279
chunks by the the Pentagon and the

766
00:41:22,799 --> 00:41:20,349
Department of Energy which work very

767
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:22,809
closely together I have been told

768
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:25,380
anecdotally that there are massive

769
00:41:36,299 --> 00:41:29,520
tunnels running out between Nevada and

770
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:36,309
the desert areas in in California I for

771
00:41:43,890 --> 00:41:38,260
those stories with interest I can't

772
00:41:46,769 --> 00:41:43,900
prove them no one on the inside has

773
00:41:47,819 --> 00:41:46,779
information about that stuff so if you

774
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:47,829
know if you're not one of those

775
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:50,170
compartmentalized need-to-know projects

776
00:41:56,849 --> 00:41:52,180
you don't have first-hand knowledge of

777
00:41:58,339 --> 00:41:56,859
them however if you are on the inside of

778
00:42:02,039 --> 00:41:58,349
one or more of those compartmentalized

779
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,049
need-to-know projects you cannot talk

780
00:42:07,890 --> 00:42:04,240
about what you know and about what you

781
00:42:10,019 --> 00:42:07,900
do so in some ways people like me you're

782
00:42:13,470 --> 00:42:10,029
the closest you get to finding out about

783
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:13,480
that short of signing your life away and

784
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:18,640
in going into that world which I am not

785
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:19,400
willing to do

786
00:42:25,690 --> 00:42:23,599
but I I take seriously these stories

787
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:25,700
I've been told about of massive

788
00:42:32,140 --> 00:42:30,049
facilities beneath California Nevada you

789
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:32,150
know they're they're huge wide-open

790
00:42:36,339 --> 00:42:34,700
areas of California that are extremely

791
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,349
sparsely populated

792
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:39,680
you see practically no one when you go

793
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:43,400
out there and the same is true of Nevada

794
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:45,950
once you go outside of Reno and then Las

795
00:42:50,799 --> 00:42:48,170
Vegas the rest of Nevada it's pretty

796
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:50,809
empty actually most of it is extremely

797
00:42:55,029 --> 00:42:52,210
empty Maria

798
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:55,039
Jenna I believe or at least a lot of it

799
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,210
is going on underground and for the

800
00:43:07,059 --> 00:43:01,520
purpose of being underground would that

801
00:43:11,370 --> 00:43:07,069
be just for a secretive purposes is that

802
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:11,380
what you're imagining multiple purposes

803
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:17,599
if cores see well that's one reason the

804
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:20,750
secrecy of course means if you're out of

805
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:23,270
sight out of mind that out of you can

806
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:24,950
could see what you're doing from others

807
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:27,410
what people don't see they tend not to

808
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:29,569
know about not to think about but you

809
00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:31,970
would also have physical security by

810
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:33,950
being underground and you limit the

811
00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:41,089
access and so you can carry out your

812
00:43:47,279 --> 00:43:45,020
projects with more security I mean if

813
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:47,289
it's a weapons project or if you are

814
00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:50,569
interfacing with aliens as I believe is

815
00:43:56,109 --> 00:43:52,700
happening in some cases in some of these

816
00:43:58,420 --> 00:43:56,119
facilities you know then you would be

817
00:44:02,760 --> 00:43:58,430
able to keep the idly curious general

818
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:02,770
public away other reasons would be a

819
00:44:10,299 --> 00:44:07,970
4-man for communication facilities for

820
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:10,309
government for the military for industry

821
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:13,130
other regions other reasons for some of

822
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:16,210
these facilities is the storage of

823
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,210
commodities or the storage of archival

824
00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:22,880
records government and industry produced

825
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:26,900
reams of Records for computing

826
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:29,630
facilities are underground the one of

827
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:30,990
the most famous

828
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,020
once it's publicly known is at least

829
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:36,900
semi publicly known as beneath the NSA

830
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:41,150
headquarters in Laurel Maryland and then

831
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:46,130
if the stories believe they're also

832
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:49,800
highly secret transportation nodes and

833
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:52,410
transportation that networks underground

834
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:55,890
for use not by the general public but by

835
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,930
this very secretive highly

836
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:00,000
compartmentalized world though the

837
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:03,330
military industrial espionage Kampala so

838
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:05,610
those are some of the reasons I'm I'm

839
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:09,210
sure there must be others do you know

840
00:45:21,830 --> 00:45:16,430
well you know it's real

841
00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:21,840
well it's a large facility high-tech

842
00:45:28,070 --> 00:45:25,320
very deep it's in the region in the area

843
00:45:30,340 --> 00:45:28,080
of the small town of Alice Springs which

844
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:30,350
which is out in Australian outback

845
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:33,210
almost exactly than the geographic

846
00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:36,530
centre of Australia it's way out there

847
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:40,820
and that part of Australia is like

848
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:44,580
Nevada and and those areas of California

849
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:47,490
it's very thinly populated there's no

850
00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:50,700
most almost no one out there now that

851
00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:54,030
the facility at Pine Gap is an American

852
00:46:00,200 --> 00:45:57,030
facility notwithstanding that it is

853
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:00,210
located in the middle of nowhere in the

854
00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:03,030
middle of Australia it is controlled by

855
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:06,060
the Americans and not by the Australians

856
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:09,060
it is run by the Americans and not by

857
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:12,420
the Australian the NSA has a major

858
00:46:18,350 --> 00:46:15,810
presence at Pine Gap I believe based

859
00:46:21,020 --> 00:46:18,360
went up based on what I read that the

860
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:21,030
CIA is there to a degree then also the

861
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,330
National Reconnaissance Office and and

862
00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:26,160
perhaps other agencies and organizations

863
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:29,670
that we don't know about but it's been

864
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:31,980
there for many years it's extensible

865
00:46:38,050 --> 00:46:35,640
public function is as a a satellite

866
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:38,060
downlink or uplink

867
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:41,330
you know the the Americans have a lot of

868
00:46:46,420 --> 00:46:43,250
spy satellites in sort of the British

869
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:46,430
and they they have ground stations where

870
00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:48,730
they communicate with their spy

871
00:46:58,090 --> 00:46:52,780
satellite network and that's one of them

872
00:47:01,000 --> 00:46:58,100
it's bent missile and Hemisphere and so

873
00:47:02,890 --> 00:47:01,010
it has a strategic location on the other

874
00:47:04,270 --> 00:47:02,900
side of the planet from the United

875
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:04,280
States and in the southern hemisphere

876
00:47:07,660 --> 00:47:07,010
it's a working base it's a high-tech

877
00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:07,670
base

878
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:10,070
it's very secretive the stories about it

879
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,230
are that it has deep underground levels

880
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:14,720
massive deep underground levels and I

881
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:18,650
believe those stories uh-huh

882
00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:20,870
one of the things that have has come up

883
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:24,580
earlier in one of my shows was

884
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,610
wright-patterson Air Base that there's a

885
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:31,520
massive underground facility there did

886
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:34,760
you look into that one well from what

887
00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:36,770
I've seen yes of course wright-patterson

888
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:39,380
is an Air Force Base in Ohio it's been

889
00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:43,250
there for many years the story the

890
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:45,980
Roswell story at least in some some of

891
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,570
little alien bodies and some of the UFO

892
00:48:00,460 --> 00:47:58,160
debris collected from so-called UFO

893
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:00,470
crash at Roswell which was not at

894
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:07,190
Roswell was not at Roswell one crash one

895
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:12,110
of one craft but wright-patterson is

896
00:48:19,090 --> 00:48:16,430
often put into that story as an

897
00:48:20,650 --> 00:48:19,100
important element because it was the

898
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:20,660
longtime base where the Air Force

899
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:24,670
analyzed and did reverse engineering on

900
00:48:30,970 --> 00:48:28,010
foreign technology and I suppose UFO

901
00:48:35,770 --> 00:48:30,980
technology would qualify as foreign

902
00:48:38,170 --> 00:48:35,780
technology and and then of course there

903
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:38,180
are stories about underground tunnels

904
00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:41,680
and work areas at wright-patterson then

905
00:48:45,490 --> 00:48:44,060
I've read some of that information I

906
00:48:48,610 --> 00:48:45,500
think they've been there for a long time

907
00:48:50,660 --> 00:48:48,620
I don't know how deep the stuff at

908
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:50,670
wright-patterson goes

909
00:48:59,090 --> 00:48:54,250
listen at any American military

910
00:49:03,240 --> 00:48:59,100
installation you're quite likely to have

911
00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:03,250
one or more underground facilities I say

912
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:06,580
that because the black budget is so huge

913
00:49:13,020 --> 00:49:08,460
running into the trillions of dollars

914
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:13,030
the document trail I found is so

915
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,270
extensive indicating ongoing military

916
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:21,280
interest in underground tunnels and

917
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:24,490
basis over a period of decades and the

918
00:49:30,540 --> 00:49:28,450
secrecy the compartmentalization in the

919
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:30,550
black budget world of the military

920
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:33,130
military-industrial complex is so

921
00:49:39,090 --> 00:49:36,850
extensive that I don't rule out at any

922
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:39,100
American military facility the

923
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,340
possibility of a serious underground

924
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:44,800
component no matter how shabby and

925
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:47,850
rundown things may look on the surface

926
00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:52,510
that is what what my research strongly

927
00:49:59,850 --> 00:49:56,830
indicates and so there could be a major

928
00:50:02,160 --> 00:49:59,860
deep underground facility at

929
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:02,170
wright-patterson that the documentation

930
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:06,670
I have seen suggests more modest more

931
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:11,500
shallow shallow shallower closer to the

932
00:50:15,570 --> 00:50:13,690
surface tunnels and work areas but you

933
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:15,580
know that was from stuff from decades

934
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:17,830
ago and the technology that's around

935
00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:21,760
today permits construction at a very

936
00:50:29,340 --> 00:50:26,620
deep level so I wouldn't rule anything

937
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:29,350
out we're right Patterson is concerned

938
00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:32,250
or any other American military facility

939
00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:36,430
right it's amazing these these machines

940
00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:39,400
they have for actually tunneling

941
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:41,590
underground that can be 60 feet wide I

942
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:43,930
think it is and it can go through

943
00:50:47,370 --> 00:50:45,240
bedrock anything

944
00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:47,380
pretty amazing what they can do right

945
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:52,780
right now yes the largest of these

946
00:50:57,450 --> 00:50:55,330
machines are just gargantuan they're

947
00:50:59,880 --> 00:50:57,460
they're breathtakingly huge and it's

948
00:51:01,890 --> 00:50:59,890
it's hard to believe that machines with

949
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:01,900
that power with thousands of horsepower

950
00:51:07,350 --> 00:51:04,210
can just chew their way through solid

951
00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:07,360
rock hundreds or even a thousand 2,000

952
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:11,500
3,000 feet underground but that is the

953
00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:13,660
state of the technology and has been for

954
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:17,980
decades now you could even count men

955
00:51:22,890 --> 00:51:18,850
from miles away

956
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:22,900
it could be that there would be just

957
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:24,340
using wright-patterson as one

958
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:27,310
hypothetical example since I've never

959
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:29,610
been underground we need the right

960
00:51:34,860 --> 00:51:32,650
person and I'm highly unlikely ever to

961
00:51:38,730 --> 00:51:34,870
go underground beneath the

962
00:51:42,660 --> 00:51:38,740
wright-patterson Air Force Base but if

963
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:42,670
you want to make that serious tunnel

964
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:46,630
network beneath wright-patterson you

965
00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:48,370
wouldn't have to start tunneling right

966
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:50,260
there you could if you wanted to you

967
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:52,750
could tunnel in from 20 miles away or 50

968
00:52:02,100 --> 00:51:57,960
miles away and no one would be the wiser

969
00:52:04,290 --> 00:52:02,110
right a question up on the message board

970
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:04,300
do you think any of the bases could

971
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:07,270
function as protected spaces and

972
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:12,190
anticipation for earth disasters no

973
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:14,610
these facilities are not intended for

974
00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:19,960
the and they are intended for use by the

975
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:21,940
military industrial complex and others

976
00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:25,140
there really is no civil defense

977
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:29,980
provision campaign you are dealing with

978
00:52:34,410 --> 00:52:31,300
the compartmentalized

979
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:34,420
parallel reality there that is does not

980
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:37,210
have your best interest at heart and I

981
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,720
say that or mine because it is sucking

982
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,880
money out of the economy by the

983
00:52:48,540 --> 00:52:45,280
trillions of dollars money that we all

984
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:48,550
need and could use for all kinds of

985
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:52,810
things productive uses so right there we

986
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:55,810
are being robbed without our consent

987
00:53:03,570 --> 00:52:58,570
robbery is always a crime it's always a

988
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:03,580
violation of the other parties human

989
00:53:08,490 --> 00:53:06,490
rights and civil liberties and so the

990
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,500
fact that a massive crime is being

991
00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:10,480
committed against us without our

992
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:11,140
permission

993
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:13,810
right there tells you that what is being

994
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:14,650
done is

995
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:18,430
being done for us but is being done to

996
00:53:26,999 --> 00:53:23,920
us well I think earlier someone said

997
00:53:29,759 --> 00:53:27,009
that Rumsfeld said that there was 2.3

998
00:53:33,299 --> 00:53:29,769
trillion dollars missing from the

999
00:53:38,579 --> 00:53:33,309
federal budget back in 2001 have you

1000
00:53:41,299 --> 00:53:38,589
followed that type of missing figures

1001
00:53:44,489 --> 00:53:41,309
along the way here

1002
00:53:45,059 --> 00:53:44,499
well you can't find out where that money

1003
00:53:47,999 --> 00:53:45,069
went

1004
00:53:49,859 --> 00:53:48,009
what you have to do is rely on on what

1005
00:53:52,380 --> 00:53:49,869
you can find in open literature in

1006
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:52,390
newspapers and in books and documents

1007
00:53:59,579 --> 00:53:54,700
and in journals and so forth

1008
00:54:02,190 --> 00:53:59,589
professional journals at that time he

1009
00:54:04,650 --> 00:54:02,200
was talking about 2.3 trillion dollars

1010
00:54:07,259 --> 00:54:04,660
of spending that the Pentagon

1011
00:54:10,349 --> 00:54:07,269
accountants could not account for now

1012
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,359
just you try that excuse in your

1013
00:54:15,779 --> 00:54:13,119
personal financial affairs no you know

1014
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:15,789
I'm yeah it's true there's eighty six

1015
00:54:20,670 --> 00:54:17,650
thousand dollars missing here and I the

1016
00:54:22,529 --> 00:54:20,680
figures don't add up but but I'm on it

1017
00:54:24,539 --> 00:54:22,539
I'll let you know as soon as I have an

1018
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:24,549
answer for what's going on here which

1019
00:54:29,849 --> 00:54:27,220
has been the Pentagon's way of handling

1020
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:29,859
this only it's it's so much worse we're

1021
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:31,930
talking about multiple trillions and

1022
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:36,670
that was 15 years ago we do know that

1023
00:54:42,569 --> 00:54:39,369
it's gotten even worse and I'll tell you

1024
00:54:44,970 --> 00:54:42,579
how you can look at it's not limited to

1025
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:44,980
the Pentagon the Pentagon has just one

1026
00:54:49,769 --> 00:54:47,230
appendage of what is going on this is

1027
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:49,779
actually a global program something real

1028
00:54:56,220 --> 00:54:53,980
big is going on all on this planet

1029
00:54:58,229 --> 00:54:56,230
beneath its planet and above this planet

1030
00:55:01,259 --> 00:54:58,239
or off this planet it's costing

1031
00:55:04,739 --> 00:55:01,269
trillions of dollars when you see that

1032
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:04,749
the Federal Reserve Bank for example it

1033
00:55:11,269 --> 00:55:06,420
is undertaking what it calls

1034
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:11,279
quantitative easing what that means is

1035
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:15,460
it is creating money out of thin air by

1036
00:55:22,979 --> 00:55:19,569
the trillions and it is funneling it to

1037
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:22,989
large fortune 500 companies on Wall

1038
00:55:30,359 --> 00:55:26,710
Street to stock brokerages

1039
00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:30,369
two major banks in the United States and

1040
00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:34,380
in other countries around the world and

1041
00:55:42,270 --> 00:55:39,270
none of this is being accounted for

1042
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:42,280
representative Alan Grayson who has been

1043
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:45,369
in them in the Congress United States

1044
00:55:53,099 --> 00:55:48,630
Congress in recent years has in

1045
00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:53,109
congressional hearings quizzed high

1046
00:55:59,490 --> 00:55:55,720
ranking the United States Federal

1047
00:56:01,230 --> 00:55:59,500
Reserve Bank officials about this I've

1048
00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:01,240
written about this on my blog and a

1049
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:03,790
couple of my blog postings in one case

1050
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:07,890
he was grilling the inspector general

1051
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:14,040
for the reserve of who's you know

1052
00:56:19,230 --> 00:56:16,570
investigating the spending of the

1053
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:19,240
Federal Reserve falls under a purview

1054
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:21,910
and she pleaded ignorance there were a

1055
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:24,609
number of trillions of dollars that she

1056
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:26,650
could not account for in congressional

1057
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:28,330
testimony and essentially was telling

1058
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:30,310
the congressman you know I don't have

1059
00:56:35,849 --> 00:56:33,180
those details immediately to hand in

1060
00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:35,859
front of me right now but let me get

1061
00:56:41,849 --> 00:56:39,430
back to you well let me tell you if it's

1062
00:56:44,099 --> 00:56:41,859
a question of trillions of dollars being

1063
00:56:47,099 --> 00:56:44,109
spent wouldn't you be able to say

1064
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:47,109
something about it I mean you can tell

1065
00:56:53,579 --> 00:56:50,290
me if you spend $20 for something what

1066
00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:53,589
you spent it on and here trillions of

1067
00:56:59,280 --> 00:56:55,750
dollars little or literally trillions of

1068
00:57:01,920 --> 00:56:59,290
dollars on the Fed's balance sheet who

1069
00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:01,930
were paying were under discussion and he

1070
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:05,380
was querying her about it and she had no

1071
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:08,950
answer so that's how opaque the system

1072
00:57:14,849 --> 00:57:12,160
is and I'm suggesting to you that if a

1073
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:14,859
sitting United States congressman and

1074
00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:18,490
sworn congressional testimony cannot get

1075
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:21,820
a straight answer just consider how much

1076
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:25,380
harder it is for someone like me and

1077
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:29,920
other researchers like me we're up

1078
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:33,520
against something huge that it's that's

1079
00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:36,130
hard to research it's hard to understand

1080
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:38,619
will it clear is that trillions of

1081
00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:39,420
dollars

1082
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:43,830
or being sucked out of the system in the

1083
00:57:49,250 --> 00:57:46,680
United States and around the world not

1084
00:57:52,610 --> 00:57:49,260
being put to productive use in the

1085
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:52,620
so-called brick-and-mortar economy it's

1086
00:57:58,130 --> 00:57:55,680
not being this vast sum of money there's

1087
00:58:02,900 --> 00:57:58,140
not being put to productive use or any

1088
00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:02,910
visible use at all in realm of in which

1089
00:58:09,830 --> 00:58:07,500
ordinary people live their lives by the

1090
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:09,840
hundreds of millions in bill and so

1091
00:58:15,140 --> 00:58:12,360
where is it going obviously somewhere

1092
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:15,150
else it's going somewhere else that's

1093
00:58:24,050 --> 00:58:19,890
doing something else my research shows

1094
00:58:27,050 --> 00:58:24,060
what one of those things must be demage

1095
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,060
stably must be and that is underground

1096
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:29,760
and underwater tunnels and bases this is

1097
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:33,180
also a growing body of research that

1098
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:35,910
strongly points in the direction of one

1099
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:39,210
or more secret space programs and again

1100
00:58:45,850 --> 00:58:41,970
not limited just to the United States

1101
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:45,860
and then we also have this burgeoning

1102
00:58:51,590 --> 00:58:48,960
artificial intelligence technology

1103
00:58:55,070 --> 00:58:51,600
that's being brought online very rapidly

1104
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:55,080
now our world has been transformed at

1105
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:57,210
warp speed and not in a good way

1106
00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:00,660
if you're a natural human being and then

1107
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:04,040
there is also genetic engineering and

1108
00:59:12,430 --> 00:59:07,830
cloning technology going on there are

1109
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:12,440
anecdotal stories from the Krista Tilton

1110
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:16,050
Dulce based stories from years ago in

1111
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:20,010
the 1980s for example that that alleged

1112
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,330
there are are the high Tech's be good

1113
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:29,040
underground laboratories as at Dulce

1114
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:32,040
according to one iteration of adults

1115
00:59:43,850 --> 00:59:34,050
they store and don't save a story in

1116
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:47,730
well we lost them for just a second

1117
00:59:52,650 --> 00:59:49,450
there and we're right at the top of the

1118
00:59:57,090 --> 00:59:52,660
hour so if you'll hang on just one

1119
00:59:59,370 --> 00:59:57,100
second I'll be calling him back so hang

1120
01:00:01,860 --> 00:59:59,380
on just one second and we'll be right

1121
01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:01,870
back right after the music break if

1122
01:01:03,860 --> 01:00:57,040
you

1123
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:03,870
back I'm right yeah we're it is fading

1124
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:05,160
out a lot that time you're just plain

1125
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:08,010
old went away now I can't remember what

1126
01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:09,960
you're in the middle of at that point

1127
01:01:16,370 --> 01:01:13,080
when when things went down but well I

1128
01:01:19,970 --> 01:01:16,380
was talking about Los Alamos the we

1129
01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:19,980
stopped for a music bird okay did you

1130
01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:21,720
have more to continue on that or would

1131
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:23,190
you want to move on to something else

1132
01:01:28,750 --> 01:01:25,610
underground base at Dulce New Mexico

1133
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:28,760
allegedly operated by the United States

1134
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:32,850
military and little grey aliens but I

1135
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:39,710
talked with toll and Krista tilted and I

1136
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:42,510
found her account to be somewhat

1137
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,570
confused as we yes you know I want to

1138
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:47,760
say that frequently this happens when I

1139
01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:50,220
do interviews when I begin talking about

1140
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:53,430
a sensitive topic Skype frequently pulls

1141
01:02:00,050 --> 01:01:57,570
the plug on the conversation this whole

1142
01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:00,060
this gets into the area of artificial

1143
01:02:06,890 --> 01:02:02,430
intelligence and that the Internet is

1144
01:02:10,970 --> 01:02:06,900
now wired in to a I Skype Yahoo

1145
01:02:13,940 --> 01:02:10,980
Microsoft Google all of it Apple all of

1146
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:13,950
it is wired and it's a huge AI network

1147
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:16,380
and I said that is in it up toots

1148
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:18,450
eyeballs be that as it may

1149
01:02:24,340 --> 01:02:21,180
getting back to the alleged Dulce base

1150
01:02:28,310 --> 01:02:24,350
and talking with Krista Tilton she did

1151
01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:28,320
admit to me that she didn't know where

1152
01:02:34,820 --> 01:02:31,020
the base was that when she was taken

1153
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:34,830
there she asked where she was and she

1154
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:37,650
was told the Dulce base in northern New

1155
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:41,910
Mexico she assumed that that meant the

1156
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:44,220
town of dulce but it need not mean that

1157
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:47,640
it need only mean that she was told she

1158
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:51,030
was at the Dulce baby in northern New

1159
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:55,110
Mexico and Dulce of course there's a

1160
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,000
Spanish where a dulcet it simply means

1161
01:03:04,670 --> 01:03:02,640
sweet so they were telling her you know

1162
01:03:06,830 --> 01:03:04,680
you're at the sweet base just as

1163
01:03:08,070 --> 01:03:06,840
gibberish almost when translated into

1164
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:08,080
English

1165
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:10,900
I believe that it's actually and I've

1166
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:14,290
been told by others at or near Los

1167
01:03:20,730 --> 01:03:17,710
Alamos in fact my research suggests

1168
01:03:25,170 --> 01:03:20,740
there is a serious underground component

1169
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:25,180
that Los Alamos the top one man one

1170
01:03:31,130 --> 01:03:28,020
engineer who told me he'd been there

1171
01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:31,140
didn't work there but I'd gone there

1172
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:34,230
with an engineering colleague and

1173
01:03:39,330 --> 01:03:37,690
actually went into some of the

1174
01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:39,340
underground facilitators his

1175
01:03:44,370 --> 01:03:42,040
understanding was most of what happens

1176
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,380
at Los Alamos takes place underground

1177
01:03:50,070 --> 01:03:46,960
and some of it is very deep underground

1178
01:03:53,010 --> 01:03:50,080
his understanding was as much is one

1179
01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:53,020
mile underground and and your listeners

1180
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:55,390
and you should understand that it is

1181
01:04:02,820 --> 01:03:58,090
well within the state of the art of

1182
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:02,830
modern civil engineering to work one

1183
01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:05,650
mile and sorry listeners if you're

1184
01:04:09,030 --> 01:04:07,270
listening we have a little bit of an

1185
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:09,040
issue here I was trying to accept a

1186
01:04:15,690 --> 01:04:13,810
phone call and it just didn't happen so

1187
01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:15,700
hang in there I'm gonna try to figure

1188
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:16,990
this out hello

1189
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:21,430
are we back yes so sorry about that I

1190
01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:24,310
guess I'm not able to take calls on this

1191
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:26,500
show and for some reason I don't know

1192
01:04:32,420 --> 01:04:29,440
what the issue is but when I add a call

1193
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:32,430
to our conversation it's putting the

1194
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:35,170
radio station and you Richard on hold

1195
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:37,510
for some reason so I apologize anyone

1196
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:39,310
that wants to call them we should be all

1197
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:41,410
set next week you can ask your questions

1198
01:04:44,610 --> 01:04:43,690
on the message board instead and I

1199
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:44,620
apologize for that

1200
01:04:50,790 --> 01:04:47,530
so no calls this week sorry about that

1201
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:50,800
alright so I don't know how far you got

1202
01:04:57,450 --> 01:04:52,810
before you found out that no one could

1203
01:05:00,500 --> 01:04:57,460
hear you well I was talking about Los

1204
01:05:03,450 --> 01:05:00,510
Alamos and then and how it goes down

1205
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:03,460
I've been told it goes as deep as one

1206
01:05:09,390 --> 01:05:06,850
mile in the deepest levels and that most

1207
01:05:14,610 --> 01:05:09,400
of what takes place there does take

1208
01:05:18,860 --> 01:05:14,620
place underground now it's important to

1209
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:22,190
the United States Department is the lead

1210
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:25,920
agency in human genetics research in the

1211
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:28,290
world that goes back to the early years

1212
01:05:38,780 --> 01:05:32,130
of the atomic weapons program when it

1213
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:38,790
was understood that radionuclides have

1214
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:41,400
an impact on genetics including human

1215
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:44,400
genetics they cause mutations in the

1216
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:46,650
genetic code and so from that time

1217
01:05:55,070 --> 01:05:51,090
forward the United States Department has

1218
01:05:59,420 --> 01:05:55,080
been massively researching human

1219
01:06:02,180 --> 01:05:59,430
genetics the human genome and so Los

1220
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:02,190
Alamos is a great Center not just for

1221
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:06,470
nuclear weapons design and development

1222
01:06:17,810 --> 01:06:13,170
but also for human genetic study I'm

1223
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:17,820
surmising that the dulcet stories of of

1224
01:06:23,770 --> 01:06:21,410
cloning cloning of humans and

1225
01:06:31,820 --> 01:06:23,780
hybridization

1226
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:31,830
humans in quite possible quite possibly

1227
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:33,990
and actually relate to most Alamos and

1228
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:36,930
black-budget human genetic research

1229
01:06:44,530 --> 01:06:41,850
that's being carried out there I I think

1230
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,540
that this whole thing this has gotten so

1231
01:06:51,290 --> 01:06:47,760
football out of control that it's

1232
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:51,300
difficult for for those of us who are on

1233
01:06:58,670 --> 01:06:54,090
the outside trying to look in to even

1234
01:07:03,290 --> 01:06:58,680
begin to grasp the immensity of what is

1235
01:07:07,490 --> 01:07:03,300
going on I believe also that though

1236
01:07:10,940 --> 01:07:07,500
these all these programs and projects

1237
01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:10,950
have so far escaped the bounds of any

1238
01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:15,180
kind of open oversight that at this

1239
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:18,420
point it's almost impossible to rein

1240
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,810
them in and god help us I don't know

1241
01:07:26,060 --> 01:07:23,760
where it's all going but I don't think

1242
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:26,070
it's going anywhere good because it's

1243
01:07:32,060 --> 01:07:31,170
all so secretive so massively funded so

1244
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:32,070
harsh

1245
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:36,450
so compartmentalised I scarcely know

1246
01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:39,630
what to say anymore Wow

1247
01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:42,230
I just sent a text message to my

1248
01:07:47,570 --> 01:07:44,670
brother-in-law because he worked at los

1249
01:07:49,550 --> 01:07:47,580
alamos for 20-some odd years to ask him

1250
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:49,560
if he ever heard any stories about that

1251
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:51,570
I'm waiting to hear back from him but

1252
01:07:56,060 --> 01:07:53,700
you know let's um let's skip around you

1253
01:07:57,830 --> 01:07:56,070
well you have to limit let me let

1254
01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:57,840
me follow up on that your question to

1255
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:00,780
your sure your your relative there it

1256
01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:03,690
doesn't matter who he is

1257
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:08,580
if he has a need to know then he will be

1258
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:10,770
on the inside of a compartments project

1259
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:13,770
if he doesn't have a need to know

1260
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,520
he'll know nothing about it he won't

1261
01:08:22,180 --> 01:08:19,440
know the passwords he won't know the

1262
01:08:26,150 --> 01:08:22,190
project names those who are involved

1263
01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:26,160
will not speak to him about their work

1264
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:29,220
and if he is involved he will not tell

1265
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:29,880
you either

1266
01:08:37,099 --> 01:08:34,890
let me give an explanation in my last

1267
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:37,109
book hidden in plain sight beyond

1268
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:37,770
x-files

1269
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:41,460
I discuss the book by john pena craven

1270
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:44,310
called the silent war john pena craven

1271
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:48,089
was the lead navy's lead scientist stern

1272
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:51,930
height of the Cold War beach the ocean

1273
01:08:58,190 --> 01:08:55,140
ographers he was lead scientist tasked

1274
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:58,200
with developing behind man rickover and

1275
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:01,920
others a a deep undersea capability a

1276
01:09:08,749 --> 01:09:05,160
capability for the Navy to work at great

1277
01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:08,759
depth up to 20,000 feet underwater and

1278
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:10,500
he did he did that it carried out that

1279
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:13,290
mandate one of the points that he made

1280
01:09:21,260 --> 01:09:17,759
in his book was that there was a secret

1281
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,270
project called sandala which he uses as

1282
01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:23,580
an example that had three layers of

1283
01:09:28,820 --> 01:09:26,580
secrecy someone who worked in that

1284
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:28,830
program for example might be outwardly

1285
01:09:38,420 --> 01:09:33,330
and all mr. Onur on American Navy

1286
01:09:42,140 --> 01:09:38,430
nuclear submarine within that job title

1287
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:42,150
the officer let's say would sign in to

1288
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:43,960
work on the submarine

1289
01:09:53,390 --> 01:09:48,250
and then would go do something else that

1290
01:09:57,630 --> 01:09:53,400
would have totally different duty tasks

1291
01:10:00,510 --> 01:09:57,640
and under that tasks there might be yet

1292
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:00,520
a third embedded program with another

1293
01:10:08,010 --> 01:10:04,170
name than another level of secrecy and

1294
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:08,020
part of the rules for this or that that

1295
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:11,710
officer would not tell anyone even

1296
01:10:17,010 --> 01:10:15,130
including his wife what he really did

1297
01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:17,020
create Craven follows that up with

1298
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:19,710
another example of going into a room

1299
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:23,410
that's literally like a bank vault to be

1300
01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:24,010
briefed

1301
01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:28,900
that's literal literal physical physical

1302
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:31,300
compartmentalization what I'm telling

1303
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:34,210
you is whether it is your relative your

1304
01:10:40,110 --> 01:10:37,840
friend your brother or even your wife if

1305
01:10:44,220 --> 01:10:40,120
they are in a compartmentalized program

1306
01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:44,230
doing seriously secret work they won't

1307
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:49,900
tell you you will not know and they will

1308
01:10:55,170 --> 01:10:53,230
lie to you well I did get an answer back

1309
01:10:59,280 --> 01:10:55,180
from my brother-in-law he just said that

1310
01:11:00,780 --> 01:10:59,290
there let me just read it here there are

1311
01:11:04,350 --> 01:11:00,790
storage tunnels that are underground

1312
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:04,360
that's all he told me well that covered

1313
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:06,190
that could be anything and the storage

1314
01:11:12,270 --> 01:11:09,730
tunnel can be that's true in fact I got

1315
01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:12,280
some minimal I did a Freedom of

1316
01:11:17,310 --> 01:11:14,710
Information Act request to Los Alamos

1317
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:17,320
asking about underground facilities and

1318
01:11:23,820 --> 01:11:20,710
I got some minimal documentation back

1319
01:11:26,430 --> 01:11:23,830
which even then in the mid-1990s I knew

1320
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:26,440
did not begin to cover the true extent

1321
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:28,510
of what is there what I'm telling you is

1322
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:31,120
that at a place like Los Alamos

1323
01:11:36,510 --> 01:11:33,210
there are compartments within

1324
01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:36,520
compartments and if you're not on the

1325
01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:38,200
inside of compartment and it could be

1326
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:40,720
physical it could be you go into a room

1327
01:11:46,350 --> 01:11:44,080
and you're three Doors and maybe you you

1328
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:46,360
have the keys to one of the doors but

1329
01:11:53,070 --> 01:11:48,460
not to the other to what's behind the

1330
01:11:55,290 --> 01:11:53,080
other two doors you don't know hmm right

1331
01:11:57,610 --> 01:11:55,300
then and that's it works it works at

1332
01:12:03,070 --> 01:11:57,620
that level I'll give you another example

1333
01:12:04,150 --> 01:12:03,080
was one guy told me that doctor all

1334
01:12:08,230 --> 01:12:04,160
kinds of people have worked in

1335
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:08,240
facilities and one told me that some of

1336
01:12:15,370 --> 01:12:11,510
these facilities will disguise their air

1337
01:12:17,710 --> 01:12:15,380
shafts for example in the silos on

1338
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:17,720
working dairy farms it's just one

1339
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:19,850
example of course there are dairy farms

1340
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:24,110
all over the country now that means that

1341
01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:27,440
there are also some dairy farmers here

1342
01:12:32,620 --> 01:12:30,110
and there who know that the silos on

1343
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:32,630
their farms are not really real silos

1344
01:12:38,650 --> 01:12:36,320
that they are air shafts and vents for

1345
01:12:41,260 --> 01:12:38,660
secret underground bases which means

1346
01:12:43,330 --> 01:12:41,270
that there are farmers out there who are

1347
01:12:47,050 --> 01:12:43,340
involved in these projects that lead to

1348
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:47,060
some degree so you see how penetrated

1349
01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:51,770
this society is and how secret the kinds

1350
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:54,710
of secrets that a lot a lot of so-called

1351
01:13:01,800 --> 01:12:57,290
ordinary people have how many farmers

1352
01:13:04,930 --> 01:13:01,810
are there out there whose farms lie over

1353
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:04,940
underground bases I don't know but based

1354
01:13:11,170 --> 01:13:07,850
on what I was told some of them are I

1355
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:11,180
can give you another example on that

1356
01:13:17,650 --> 01:13:14,110
site I believe in in my first book where

1357
01:13:21,310 --> 01:13:17,660
you can actually design a barn for an

1358
01:13:24,850 --> 01:13:21,320
instance to consider an entrance to a

1359
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:24,860
secret underground base and it's been

1360
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:28,610
done it's great way to camouflage it

1361
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:31,730
what I'm telling you is we live in an

1362
01:13:40,030 --> 01:13:36,590
unreal world the I don't know any other

1363
01:13:43,810 --> 01:13:40,040
way to tell you that it's so fake it's

1364
01:13:46,230 --> 01:13:43,820
just so false if somehow the scales

1365
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:46,240
could fall from everyone's eyes

1366
01:13:51,670 --> 01:13:48,530
simultaneously and they could see

1367
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:51,680
through all of these frauds and false

1368
01:13:58,420 --> 01:13:55,430
fronts this vast theft of multiple

1369
01:14:00,880 --> 01:13:58,430
trillions and trillions of dollars from

1370
01:14:03,070 --> 01:14:00,890
the global economy all of the all the

1371
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:03,080
people walking around who are pretending

1372
01:14:09,010 --> 01:14:05,710
to be one thing when in reality they are

1373
01:14:10,930 --> 01:14:09,020
some of them an unknown large number of

1374
01:14:13,540 --> 01:14:10,940
them are involved for exam

1375
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:13,550
with these secret underground bases and

1376
01:14:19,810 --> 01:14:16,310
say little or nothing about it do you

1377
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:19,820
see you don't even need deposit in alien

1378
01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:24,110
presence on this planet to get into the

1379
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:28,940
realm of bizarro world just using the

1380
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:32,450
technology the social technology of

1381
01:14:41,410 --> 01:14:37,970
extreme compartmentalization can but

1382
01:14:43,870 --> 01:14:41,420
imagine how marriage is there are where

1383
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:43,880
the husband doesn't really know what his

1384
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:47,110
wife does professionally and vice versa

1385
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:50,060
ok we have an unusual question up on the

1386
01:14:56,740 --> 01:14:53,810
message board do you believe that there

1387
01:14:59,890 --> 01:14:56,750
was holographic technology being used by

1388
01:15:02,170 --> 01:14:59,900
the government in 1968 in other words so

1389
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:02,180
that they were able to project close-up

1390
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:06,170
images of UFOs were mistaken for the

1391
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:10,010
real UFOs 1968 1971 do you know anything

1392
01:15:21,370 --> 01:15:19,040
about that technology I know the word I

1393
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:21,380
know that there are people who work on

1394
01:15:33,670 --> 01:15:28,640
it study it develop it increasingly as

1395
01:15:36,430 --> 01:15:33,680
years go by is this whole earth by

1396
01:15:41,050 --> 01:15:36,440
sophisticated holographic projection

1397
01:15:43,780 --> 01:15:41,060
that we are trapped in in once and it's

1398
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:43,790
so good that it fools

1399
01:15:52,030 --> 01:15:47,770
almost everybody almost all of the time

1400
01:15:55,170 --> 01:15:52,040
such that it's very difficult to escape

1401
01:15:57,610 --> 01:15:55,180
its snares and liberate yourself

1402
01:16:00,700 --> 01:15:57,620
mentally spiritually and physically if

1403
01:16:04,330 --> 01:16:00,710
you will I wouldn't rule that out as a

1404
01:16:07,570 --> 01:16:04,340
possibility you know the ancient sages

1405
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:07,580
in India talked about Maya in the world

1406
01:16:16,030 --> 01:16:10,610
of illusion and what if that is for

1407
01:16:19,390 --> 01:16:16,040
truer than we have then we know ok now

1408
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:19,400
I'm gonna ask one more question about a

1409
01:16:24,430 --> 01:16:22,610
base that someone asked earlier and then

1410
01:16:26,860 --> 01:16:24,440
I want to go on a different topic

1411
01:16:30,430 --> 01:16:26,870
someone wanted to know about what you

1412
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:30,440
thought about Mount weather well mount

1413
01:16:36,939 --> 01:16:34,210
weather is is a known major deep a

1414
01:16:43,170 --> 01:16:36,949
technically sophisticated base it's been

1415
01:16:46,660 --> 01:16:43,180
there for at least since the 1950s it

1416
01:16:50,050 --> 01:16:46,670
recently was run by FEMA I'm not I guess

1417
01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:50,060
the DHS is probably in there now but it

1418
01:16:57,130 --> 01:16:54,260
is a big base it's in the Appalachian

1419
01:17:00,760 --> 01:16:57,140
Mountains about an hour's drive outside

1420
01:17:02,350 --> 01:17:00,770
of Washington DC in Northern Virginia it

1421
01:17:05,670 --> 01:17:02,360
is run by the federal government it's

1422
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:05,680
one of the big very highly secure

1423
01:17:12,610 --> 01:17:08,960
command control and communication

1424
01:17:16,170 --> 01:17:12,620
facilities for the federal agencies it

1425
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:16,180
is part of their what's called the

1426
01:17:21,939 --> 01:17:19,250
continuity of government arc of

1427
01:17:25,170 --> 01:17:21,949
underground facilities in the

1428
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:25,180
mid-atlantic region of the United States

1429
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:28,070
the my understanding is it can

1430
01:17:35,170 --> 01:17:31,280
accommodate at a minimum several hundred

1431
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:35,180
people on a pan a buttoned-up status for

1432
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:38,030
a month or more I'm guessing it it's

1433
01:17:43,209 --> 01:17:40,130
been I know it's been enlarged and

1434
01:17:45,820 --> 01:17:43,219
modernized over the years I couldn't say

1435
01:17:48,250 --> 01:17:45,830
how many they could accommodate maybe a

1436
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,260
couple thousand or or five or ten

1437
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:50,320
thousand I don't know it's a large base

1438
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:53,690
its deep its sophisticated

1439
01:17:58,479 --> 01:17:56,000
technologically it's very highly

1440
01:18:01,120 --> 01:17:58,489
secretive I have been to the front gate

1441
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:01,130
of that place but I've never been in I

1442
01:18:08,020 --> 01:18:04,150
don't have a security clearance and

1443
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:08,030
exactly what happens in it I couldn't

1444
01:18:16,270 --> 01:18:11,090
tell you but it is a it is a major known

1445
01:18:18,910 --> 01:18:16,280
underground base Wow okay now I wanted

1446
01:18:20,770 --> 01:18:18,920
to we're gonna go off topic here and

1447
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:20,780
talk about some of the things that you

1448
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:24,560
write about and one of them is the sixth

1449
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:27,410
global extinction what is your thoughts

1450
01:18:37,210 --> 01:18:31,250
on that well it's underway conservation

1451
01:18:42,710 --> 01:18:37,220
biologists and ecologists know that

1452
01:18:45,170 --> 01:18:42,720
over the hundreds of millions of years

1453
01:18:47,660 --> 01:18:45,180
that the earth has been here since

1454
01:18:50,210 --> 01:18:47,670
biological life arose on the earth there

1455
01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:50,220
have been previously five great

1456
01:18:58,490 --> 01:18:54,590
extinction events in which there were

1457
01:19:00,410 --> 01:18:58,500
huge global die offs of the flora and

1458
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:00,420
fauna of this planet

1459
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:02,370
the reasons are not always well

1460
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:05,730
understood however the geological record

1461
01:19:22,610 --> 01:19:19,220
it's now occurring again for the sixth

1462
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:22,620
time in a major way well we may not know

1463
01:19:28,730 --> 01:19:25,650
what the major cause or causes were in

1464
01:19:31,970 --> 01:19:28,740
the distant past biological scientists

1465
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:31,980
can say what the cause is today it's in

1466
01:19:38,740 --> 01:19:36,080
the main the major damaging factor in

1467
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:38,750
the die-off of tremendous numbers of

1468
01:19:46,910 --> 01:19:43,530
plants and animals on this planet is the

1469
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:46,920
human race our activities industrial

1470
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:51,090
industrial activities primarily

1471
01:19:56,110 --> 01:19:53,850
agricultural activities genetic

1472
01:19:59,960 --> 01:19:56,120
engineering now is playing the role our

1473
01:20:06,380 --> 01:19:59,970
our waste all of the crap we put in the

1474
01:20:10,940 --> 01:20:06,390
oceans and into the air and it's having

1475
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:10,950
a real powerful a deadly effect on the

1476
01:20:15,380 --> 01:20:12,770
Earth's ecology on the Earth's biosphere

1477
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:15,390
there the estimates are that in the last

1478
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:19,290
40 years 50% of all the wild life on

1479
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:23,850
this planet has has died off and that if

1480
01:20:27,950 --> 01:20:26,130
things continue the way they are we

1481
01:20:31,190 --> 01:20:27,960
won't make it another half century

1482
01:20:33,170 --> 01:20:31,200
you know the bees are dying off a lot of

1483
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,180
butterflies are dying the in fittings

1484
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:35,280
are dying all kinds of toads and frogs

1485
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:38,610
and newts and salamanders right now the

1486
01:20:44,420 --> 01:20:40,920
Pacific Ocean is dying

1487
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:44,430
it seems the major contributing cause is

1488
01:20:49,689 --> 01:20:47,370
the huge amount of radioactivity that

1489
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:49,699
continues to pour into

1490
01:20:55,180 --> 01:20:52,400
see from them the blown up and melted

1491
01:20:57,879 --> 01:20:55,190
down nuclear power reactors at Fukushima

1492
01:21:01,509 --> 01:20:57,889
Japan which haven't been fixed and

1493
01:21:04,330 --> 01:21:01,519
evidently cannot be and will continue to

1494
01:21:05,589 --> 01:21:04,340
poison the ocean for unknown thousands

1495
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:05,599
of years to come

1496
01:21:09,129 --> 01:21:07,610
yeah we certainly haven't heard the last

1497
01:21:11,859 --> 01:21:09,139
of Fukushima that's for sure

1498
01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:11,869
and Amazon the Amazon forest is being

1499
01:21:17,620 --> 01:21:14,360
cut down the great forest in tropical

1500
01:21:19,779 --> 01:21:17,630
Africa and Central America in in

1501
01:21:22,660 --> 01:21:19,789
Southeast Asia these huge ancient

1502
01:21:24,850 --> 01:21:22,670
tropical forests are being cut down and

1503
01:21:29,049 --> 01:21:24,860
of course when you cut these forests

1504
01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:29,059
down not only do the trees die but all

1505
01:21:33,939 --> 01:21:31,190
the animals and birds and reptiles and

1506
01:21:35,979 --> 01:21:33,949
and fish and insects that live in these

1507
01:21:38,649 --> 01:21:35,989
forests necessarily die as well

1508
01:21:41,379 --> 01:21:38,659
this is ongoing I live in South America

1509
01:21:43,509 --> 01:21:41,389
I've I've seen I've been an Amazon rage

1510
01:21:46,350 --> 01:21:43,519
and I've seen what's going on and I've

1511
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:46,360
seen a change within a span of one year

1512
01:21:51,069 --> 01:21:48,590
when you drive down the road and you

1513
01:21:53,709 --> 01:21:51,079
look oh look they're just cleared 10

1514
01:21:56,109 --> 01:21:53,719
acres there to put up you know soccer

1515
01:21:58,660 --> 01:21:56,119
field a grandstand and parking area oh

1516
01:22:01,239 --> 01:21:58,670
and over there they cleared five areas

1517
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:01,249
five acres and they they planted sugar

1518
01:22:06,969 --> 01:22:03,920
cane and over there they cleared 15

1519
01:22:09,250 --> 01:22:06,979
acres then they planted you know it's a

1520
01:22:11,109 --> 01:22:09,260
cattle pasture now and this is happening

1521
01:22:13,689 --> 01:22:11,119
all over the region

1522
01:22:16,299 --> 01:22:13,699
so you add it all up and you have

1523
01:22:17,979 --> 01:22:16,309
millions of people thinking well you

1524
01:22:19,660 --> 01:22:17,989
know I'm just gonna clear five or ten

1525
01:22:22,660 --> 01:22:19,670
acres here I'm going to plant some

1526
01:22:25,299 --> 01:22:22,670
bananas and some yucca then I'm going to

1527
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:25,309
brace and cattle here and it's no it's

1528
01:22:28,779 --> 01:22:26,090
ten acres

1529
01:22:31,239 --> 01:22:28,789
well if you multiply that by five

1530
01:22:33,729 --> 01:22:31,249
million people doing the same thing it

1531
01:22:36,430 --> 01:22:33,739
turns out that that ten acres is really

1532
01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:36,440
50 million acres and that is how you

1533
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:39,289
lose the world's largest tropical forest

1534
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:44,239
and it is going going going so we're

1535
01:22:48,580 --> 01:22:45,920
losing the world's great tropical

1536
01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:48,590
forests we're losing the Pacific Ocean

1537
01:22:56,350 --> 01:22:51,400
we're losing frogs salamanders

1538
01:22:59,410 --> 01:22:56,360
butterflies bees whales on an unmanned

1539
01:23:03,229 --> 01:22:59,420
the whole global ecology is crashing

1540
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,239
mostly because of us we are not doing

1541
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:05,520
the earth thing well at all and of

1542
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:08,850
course we are humanity is an apex

1543
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:13,370
predator we are it at the top of the

1544
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:18,930
ecological food chain so it's like any

1545
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:21,330
other chain as you start removing

1546
01:23:27,229 --> 01:23:24,210
lengths a chain without links is not a

1547
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:27,239
chain and that's what we're doing so we

1548
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:32,730
are destroying the food chain upon which

1549
01:23:39,290 --> 01:23:35,460
we rely and in doing that we are

1550
01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:39,300
ensuring our own extension because we're

1551
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:41,640
part of the biosphere on this planet and

1552
01:23:47,630 --> 01:23:44,730
as we destroy the biosphere we guarantee

1553
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:47,640
that the day is coming when we won't be

1554
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:50,310
here because of bees and butterflies and

1555
01:23:55,209 --> 01:23:54,420
frogs and whales etc etc cannot live on

1556
01:24:02,990 --> 01:23:55,219
this planet

1557
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:03,000
how will we right right yeah I think it

1558
01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:08,040
is I remember hearing years ago that the

1559
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:09,780
amphibians would be kind of the first

1560
01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:12,000
that you'd see the big die-off of

1561
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:14,310
because they're very susceptible and

1562
01:24:21,050 --> 01:24:19,050
sensitive to the environment another

1563
01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:21,060
question I had you wanted to talk a

1564
01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:25,739
little bit possibly about Jade helm well

1565
01:24:35,830 --> 01:24:28,710
Jade helm of course is that the military

1566
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:35,840
exercise being carried out States of the

1567
01:24:42,260 --> 01:24:39,840
states of the United States it seems in

1568
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:42,270
the South in the southwest region of the

1569
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:45,210
country the military has said very

1570
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:48,410
little about what they're doing and why

1571
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:53,040
the logo for the exercise says Jade helm

1572
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:56,610
mastering the human domain and has a

1573
01:25:01,700 --> 01:24:58,800
couple of crossed arrows a sword and a

1574
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:01,710
the likeness of a wooden shoe in the

1575
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:04,489
middle of it this has prompted a lot of

1576
01:25:12,350 --> 01:25:08,610
speculation some of it very informed

1577
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:12,360
well informed and documented it does

1578
01:25:17,149 --> 01:25:13,530
seem

1579
01:25:21,770 --> 01:25:17,159
home at least important maybe in large

1580
01:25:24,740 --> 01:25:21,780
part is designed to integrate artificial

1581
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:24,750
intelligence with military operations

1582
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:28,650
amongst the civil society of the United

1583
01:25:34,459 --> 01:25:31,170
States going out among the civilian

1584
01:25:37,339 --> 01:25:34,469
population without however telling the

1585
01:25:39,379 --> 01:25:37,349
civilian population what is going on and

1586
01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:39,389
how it's being done why

1587
01:25:47,060 --> 01:25:44,280
and without permitting the news media to

1588
01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:47,070
observe what the military is doing and

1589
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:50,940
how and why and where and when so the

1590
01:25:55,779 --> 01:25:52,920
many questions about this and I'm I'm

1591
01:26:01,029 --> 01:25:55,789
back around to one of the premises I've

1592
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:01,039
I've made a touch point of this

1593
01:26:07,299 --> 01:26:04,650
conversation and that is that because of

1594
01:26:11,839 --> 01:26:07,309
the great secrecy because of the

1595
01:26:14,979 --> 01:26:11,849
military's uncommunicative Ness I'm

1596
01:26:17,569 --> 01:26:14,989
afraid that this thing is not being done

1597
01:26:21,799 --> 01:26:17,579
for the American people but is being

1598
01:26:24,589 --> 01:26:21,809
done to them the American people are not

1599
01:26:26,510 --> 01:26:24,599
even being being given the explanation

1600
01:26:30,919 --> 01:26:26,520
that a parent might give to a

1601
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:30,929
two-year-old who asks why mommy in other

1602
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:32,730
words the American people are being

1603
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:36,000
treated with contempt not even worthy of

1604
01:26:44,419 --> 01:26:41,280
being informed well yeah well I know

1605
01:26:47,149 --> 01:26:44,429
we're we're a bit off topic from from

1606
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:47,159
the UFO so I wanted to just well I don't

1607
01:26:50,419 --> 01:26:48,690
I don't know let's let's back up there

1608
01:26:54,049 --> 01:26:50,429
okay I don't know that that's off topic

1609
01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:54,059
at all all right it's this this sort of

1610
01:27:01,339 --> 01:26:56,219
this whole push for artificial

1611
01:27:04,819 --> 01:27:01,349
intelligence is not human and which

1612
01:27:08,919 --> 01:27:04,829
raises question as to walk by the human

1613
01:27:12,919 --> 01:27:08,929
beings in positions of command in power

1614
01:27:17,060 --> 01:27:12,929
want to turn over their command

1615
01:27:21,589 --> 01:27:17,070
structure their human command structure

1616
01:27:24,979 --> 01:27:21,599
to an inhuman intelligence that that

1617
01:27:27,410 --> 01:27:24,989
immediately raises alarm bells for me

1618
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:27,420
and I think it should

1619
01:27:35,150 --> 01:27:30,570
everyone it then raises the issue as to

1620
01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:35,160
whether the leadership structure in the

1621
01:27:41,060 --> 01:27:38,340
country and in the military or in league

1622
01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:41,070
with something that's powerfully cunning

1623
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:46,760
and not human why are they introducing

1624
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:50,610
non-human intelligence into the human

1625
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:53,250
domain why would human beings do that I

1626
01:27:59,810 --> 01:27:56,850
don't know the answer to that I don't

1627
01:28:03,050 --> 01:27:59,820
think it bodes well at all and I don't

1628
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:03,060
rule out that it could possibly be

1629
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:06,330
connected with off planet intelligences

1630
01:28:12,740 --> 01:28:09,090
not necessarily human and not

1631
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:12,750
necessarily biological or what we would

1632
01:28:21,970 --> 01:28:17,130
call created as opposed to artificially

1633
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:21,980
fabricated intelligences I am Not sure

1634
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:26,010
but what we are now well into an

1635
01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:30,210
invasion by a machine like a very

1636
01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:34,590
powerful non-human machine like

1637
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:37,800
intelligence that does not have our best

1638
01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:40,530
interest at heart because it has no

1639
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:40,980
heart

1640
01:28:47,919 --> 01:28:43,650
it has no soul it has no spirit but it

1641
01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:47,929
does have an agenda of subjugation and

1642
01:28:54,620 --> 01:28:50,790
conquest and look around the planet and

1643
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:54,630
you see a planet that is reeling you see

1644
01:29:01,970 --> 01:28:57,449
a planet that is under assault you see a

1645
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:01,980
planet that frankly is dying and I don't

1646
01:29:07,540 --> 01:29:04,770
hear in the voice of the vast majority

1647
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:07,550
of the people I speak with and

1648
01:29:14,689 --> 01:29:11,250
understanding at all to the slightest

1649
01:29:17,870 --> 01:29:14,699
degree of the dire predicament that

1650
01:29:20,450 --> 01:29:17,880
humanity is planet are now in people are

1651
01:29:23,689 --> 01:29:20,460
assuming that things will go on as they

1652
01:29:26,780 --> 01:29:23,699
have in the past that because today is

1653
01:29:30,140 --> 01:29:26,790
tolerably similar to yesterday that

1654
01:29:33,260 --> 01:29:30,150
tomorrow will also be not that much

1655
01:29:38,630 --> 01:29:33,270
different from yesterday and that is by

1656
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:38,640
no means true or guaranteed yes I'm sure

1657
01:29:43,190 --> 01:29:40,890
you heard of Elon Musk's

1658
01:29:44,510 --> 01:29:43,200
quote that he claimed that AI will be

1659
01:29:48,530 --> 01:29:44,520
the end of us all

1660
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:48,540
I agree I think and of course he's a

1661
01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:51,090
high-level industrialist and financier

1662
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:53,940
he moves in circles I've never been

1663
01:30:00,860 --> 01:29:57,360
privy to so if he is saying a man like

1664
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:00,870
him is saying that much publicly imagine

1665
01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:03,690
what he must know I'm guessing if that

1666
01:30:08,660 --> 01:30:06,270
comment makes it into the headlines in

1667
01:30:11,870 --> 01:30:08,670
the mainstream news media that the

1668
01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:11,880
reality is so much worse than that along

1669
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:14,190
the lines of what I'm saying and even

1670
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:18,690
more so I know from my research that

1671
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:22,530
this investigation into artificial

1672
01:30:25,790 --> 01:30:24,960
intelligence has been going on for a

1673
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:25,800
long time

1674
01:30:31,370 --> 01:30:29,520
and my understanding is that the you

1675
01:30:33,980 --> 01:30:31,380
know the early earliest computers

1676
01:30:36,980 --> 01:30:33,990
electronic computers use vacuum tubes

1677
01:30:39,020 --> 01:30:36,990
and then transistors came along and then

1678
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:39,030
the printed circuit boards and micro

1679
01:30:43,790 --> 01:30:41,370
circuits and we entered the digital age

1680
01:30:46,130 --> 01:30:43,800
first computers I believe are analog and

1681
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:46,140
then we entered the digital age and and

1682
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:50,130
add digital super computers and now the

1683
01:30:55,090 --> 01:30:52,890
new generation of computers or quantum

1684
01:30:57,710 --> 01:30:55,100
they do quantum computing which is

1685
01:31:00,260 --> 01:30:57,720
orders multiple orders of magnitude

1686
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:00,270
faster and more efficient than even the

1687
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:02,970
most powerful digital computers a

1688
01:31:09,020 --> 01:31:05,520
complex computation that might take

1689
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:09,030
decades or even centuries can now be

1690
01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:13,050
done in seconds or minutes by the new

1691
01:31:17,690 --> 01:31:15,480
generation of quantum computers we have

1692
01:31:21,020 --> 01:31:17,700
entered a new world which the average

1693
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:21,030
person scarcely comprehends Elton Musk

1694
01:31:27,020 --> 01:31:24,480
knows that as we get more and more

1695
01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:27,030
plugged in to these artificial

1696
01:31:33,710 --> 01:31:30,060
intelligence networks what if the

1697
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:33,720
network or one of the networks decides

1698
01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:39,930
one day these these biological bipedal

1699
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:42,120
organisms they're swarming over the

1700
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:45,570
surface the planet do not comport well

1701
01:31:52,030 --> 01:31:49,920
at all with my machine agenda and so it

1702
01:31:53,980 --> 01:31:52,040
then gives launch orders

1703
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:53,990
two nuclear missiles because it's

1704
01:31:58,660 --> 01:31:56,330
plugged it then to the military command

1705
01:32:01,270 --> 01:31:58,670
structure I repeat what is the American

1706
01:32:04,630 --> 01:32:01,280
military doing right now according to

1707
01:32:07,300 --> 01:32:04,640
researchers such as JD who has appeared

1708
01:32:10,030 --> 01:32:07,310
and spoken about this at length on the

1709
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:10,040
john b wells radio show caravan the

1710
01:32:19,110 --> 01:32:14,090
midnight her research indicates and

1711
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:21,970
artificial intelligence into its field

1712
01:32:27,730 --> 01:32:25,010
operations among the civilian population

1713
01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:27,740
on the North American mainland that's

1714
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:31,270
just the beginning so what happens when

1715
01:32:37,630 --> 01:32:34,610
this AI that's being integrated right

1716
01:32:41,710 --> 01:32:37,640
now into the military's operations

1717
01:32:43,660 --> 01:32:41,720
decides well okay I'm in charge now

1718
01:32:46,330 --> 01:32:43,670
I don't need any general to tell me what

1719
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:46,340
to do I see what to do more than that I

1720
01:32:56,350 --> 01:32:48,410
see what must be done

1721
01:32:59,170 --> 01:32:56,360
I know robots I do God knows what etc

1722
01:33:02,560 --> 01:32:59,180
etc this is the premise of a movie like

1723
01:33:04,780 --> 01:33:02,570
The Terminator for example and where did

1724
01:33:07,810 --> 01:33:04,790
the creators the creative entities

1725
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:07,820
behind the Terminator movies get their

1726
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:11,930
ideas well they just observed the trends

1727
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:14,410
in the military industrial complex

1728
01:33:20,980 --> 01:33:18,650
extrapolated out in the future 25 or 30

1729
01:33:23,710 --> 01:33:20,990
years they saw what was going what was

1730
01:33:28,900 --> 01:33:23,720
being set up and you know what we're

1731
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:28,910
almost there well do you think this also

1732
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:30,770
goes along with what people are talking

1733
01:33:36,910 --> 01:33:34,730
about the singularity I don't know

1734
01:33:39,700 --> 01:33:36,920
that's what reycarts while I was talking

1735
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:39,710
about Ray Kurzweil is like this giggles

1736
01:33:49,210 --> 01:33:45,530
is google's AI transhumanist guru or

1737
01:33:51,850 --> 01:33:49,220
lead researcher Ray Kurzweil wants to

1738
01:33:54,850 --> 01:33:51,860
merge with the Machine he wants to

1739
01:33:58,420 --> 01:33:54,860
download his brain into a supercomputer

1740
01:34:02,500 --> 01:33:58,430
and and become a cyborg I think he is

1741
01:34:04,090 --> 01:34:02,510
effing crazy I think he is barking mad I

1742
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:04,100
think he is

1743
01:34:11,020 --> 01:34:07,090
to fire be insane in a dangerous man

1744
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:11,030
okay I think I think an Elton Musk Elton

1745
01:34:15,730 --> 01:34:12,560
must Ilan yeah

1746
01:34:18,190 --> 01:34:15,740
but Elon Musk pardon me associates with

1747
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:18,200
people like this because he works at a

1748
01:34:23,740 --> 01:34:20,570
higher level in industry and in finance

1749
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:23,750
and so he he knows people like Kurtz

1750
01:34:33,190 --> 01:34:29,810
well and he is sounding an alarm that's

1751
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:33,200
saying and he says to me forthrightly

1752
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:37,250
whoa let's not do this it is extremely

1753
01:34:45,790 --> 01:34:43,370
dangerous that's the opposite indication

1754
01:34:49,150 --> 01:34:45,800
that from what reycarts were always

1755
01:34:50,740 --> 01:34:49,160
saying I I listened to musk and I think

1756
01:34:52,420 --> 01:34:50,750
kurtzweil is a dangerous being on a

1757
01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:52,430
loose Wow

1758
01:34:59,200 --> 01:34:54,110
what do you think about Stephen Hawking

1759
01:35:01,180 --> 01:34:59,210
I don't know how do you mean well that's

1760
01:35:04,270 --> 01:35:01,190
just a question up on the message board

1761
01:35:06,700 --> 01:35:04,280
I don't know how to answer because

1762
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:06,710
Stephen Hawking has done and said so

1763
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:08,570
many things over the years so I don't I

1764
01:35:12,670 --> 01:35:10,130
don't know how to respond to the

1765
01:35:15,790 --> 01:35:12,680
question well I know recently there he's

1766
01:35:17,890 --> 01:35:15,800
been in the news because a Russian he's

1767
01:35:19,870 --> 01:35:17,900
working with the Russian that came up

1768
01:35:23,590 --> 01:35:19,880
with a hundred million dollars to fund

1769
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:23,600
you know like a SETI type situation I

1770
01:35:28,780 --> 01:35:25,490
don't know if you followed that or not

1771
01:35:31,420 --> 01:35:28,790
no I I just don't know the questioner

1772
01:35:33,460 --> 01:35:31,430
has to be more specific that's a Yahweh

1773
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:33,470
they make what they may come back but

1774
01:35:40,300 --> 01:35:37,520
and all they do we can go a little bit

1775
01:35:42,670 --> 01:35:40,310
again off-topic one of the things you

1776
01:35:45,790 --> 01:35:42,680
talked about was the machine and I have

1777
01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:45,800
no idea what that is well you know the

1778
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:48,350
reason I came to South America was to

1779
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:50,810
pursue it shamanic Vision Quest

1780
01:35:57,790 --> 01:35:54,890
which I have done I have now known a

1781
01:36:01,240 --> 01:35:57,800
number of shamans the first shaman that

1782
01:36:03,730 --> 01:36:01,250
I worked with was an ayahuasca row and

1783
01:36:06,340 --> 01:36:03,740
table Aikido meaning the plants he works

1784
01:36:09,780 --> 01:36:06,350
the most with or ayahuasca and tobacco

1785
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:09,790
and I did a number of sessions with him

1786
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:13,370
with some other people as well one of

1787
01:36:19,899 --> 01:36:16,130
the things that ayahuasca showed me

1788
01:36:22,689 --> 01:36:19,909
was number one how fake that this

1789
01:36:24,610 --> 01:36:22,699
reality we're living in is you have to

1790
01:36:28,180 --> 01:36:24,620
understand that the shamanic plants are

1791
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:28,190
vastly constitutes we are taught in

1792
01:36:35,979 --> 01:36:32,290
Western society that plants don't think

1793
01:36:41,050 --> 01:36:35,989
they're just kind of there in fact

1794
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:41,060
they're vastly aware and more aware than

1795
01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:45,770
average human far more aware and what

1796
01:36:50,129 --> 01:36:47,510
ayahuasca revealed to me and it

1797
01:36:53,919 --> 01:36:50,139
mysterious visions was the total

1798
01:36:56,110 --> 01:36:53,929
fraudulent false fakeness of this

1799
01:37:00,100 --> 01:36:56,120
reality and system in which we're

1800
01:37:03,129 --> 01:37:00,110
immersed it is a matrix and it's fake up

1801
01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:03,139
down in sideways when ayahuasca showed

1802
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:06,159
me that I already knew a lot of

1803
01:37:12,820 --> 01:37:09,530
intellectually a lot of things but it

1804
01:37:17,169 --> 01:37:12,830
hit me with such emotional impact that I

1805
01:37:21,370 --> 01:37:17,179
was thinking get out of here you got to

1806
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:21,380
be kidding me you have got to be kidding

1807
01:37:27,820 --> 01:37:22,010
me

1808
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:27,830
malevolent practical joke but with a

1809
01:37:32,290 --> 01:37:29,210
real hard

1810
01:37:34,570 --> 01:37:32,300
demonic edge to it and then the other

1811
01:37:37,629 --> 01:37:34,580
thing it was showing man in a variety of

1812
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:37,639
ways over a period of a number of years

1813
01:37:45,669 --> 01:37:43,040
now is that behind all of this false

1814
01:37:48,430 --> 01:37:45,679
hijacking of reality there's a there's a

1815
01:37:51,850 --> 01:37:48,440
false reality that's hijacked real

1816
01:37:57,970 --> 01:37:51,860
reality if you will and what it has done

1817
01:38:00,580 --> 01:37:57,980
is put up like a false facade over the

1818
01:38:05,169 --> 01:38:00,590
whole planet and our perceptions our

1819
01:38:12,010 --> 01:38:05,179
society it's it's it's it's this the

1820
01:38:15,490 --> 01:38:12,020
project is is vast in scope and it's it

1821
01:38:17,290 --> 01:38:15,500
has such a hard edge to it it's ruthless

1822
01:38:22,830 --> 01:38:17,300
its relentless

1823
01:38:26,140 --> 01:38:22,840
its cunning its carving conniving it's

1824
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:26,150
terribly destructive it is

1825
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:31,600
subversive it is one of my friends

1826
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:35,210
nailed it and in some of her comments

1827
01:38:41,710 --> 01:38:38,330
when she said you know it it appeals to

1828
01:38:46,090 --> 01:38:41,720
two people's worst motives their their

1829
01:38:48,430 --> 01:38:46,100
worst impulses and promising them

1830
01:38:51,220 --> 01:38:48,440
everything and destroying them in the

1831
01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:51,230
process and look around you and you see

1832
01:38:58,450 --> 01:38:54,790
it happening in front of your eyes

1833
01:39:02,410 --> 01:38:58,460
someone keeps asking what is D and what

1834
01:39:03,130 --> 01:39:02,420
is your take on DMT well DMT is in

1835
01:39:06,660 --> 01:39:03,140
everything

1836
01:39:10,230 --> 01:39:06,670
DMT appears to be a a hyperdimensional

1837
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:10,240
molecule biochemical molecule that dumb

1838
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:13,490
facilitates communication with and

1839
01:39:19,780 --> 01:39:16,130
perception with other realities and

1840
01:39:23,290 --> 01:39:19,790
dimensions it is present evidently and

1841
01:39:27,130 --> 01:39:23,300
in every living biological organism we

1842
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:27,140
have it in our bodies it's commonly

1843
01:39:34,570 --> 01:39:30,890
found in plants and animals all over the

1844
01:39:37,180 --> 01:39:34,580
world it's it's in ayahuasca it's in the

1845
01:39:41,190 --> 01:39:37,190
other sermonic plants like the San Pedro

1846
01:39:44,440 --> 01:39:41,200
cactus the peyote cactus the so called

1847
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:44,450
psilocybin mushrooms you would find it

1848
01:39:52,380 --> 01:39:48,800
in plaintiff lawyer from Mother Kawa you

1849
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:52,390
would find it in yo Poston off that

1850
01:39:59,950 --> 01:39:55,850
shamans here and South American use and

1851
01:40:01,720 --> 01:39:59,960
another other living organisms plant and

1852
01:40:05,550 --> 01:40:01,730
animal all over the world

1853
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:05,560
I think DMT is a molecule that

1854
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:08,930
interfaces at a deep level with our DNA

1855
01:40:16,270 --> 01:40:12,320
it's biochemically it's got a different

1856
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:16,280
structure than DNA but there are

1857
01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:21,110
molecules in the biological realm such

1858
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:26,510
as the DNA molecule and then of course

1859
01:40:35,860 --> 01:40:31,610
the the DMT molecule and and some others

1860
01:40:37,779 --> 01:40:35,870
that appear to work synergistically in a

1861
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:37,789
hyper consciously way

1862
01:40:43,330 --> 01:40:40,400
not only in human beings but in planets

1863
01:40:48,270 --> 01:40:43,340
and in the case of DMT in plants it

1864
01:40:53,490 --> 01:40:48,280
appears that and other similar or

1865
01:40:57,689 --> 01:40:53,500
related molecules that work together

1866
01:40:59,709 --> 01:40:57,699
that they can have a pronounced

1867
01:41:02,049 --> 01:40:59,719
consciousness heightening or

1868
01:41:08,290 --> 01:41:02,059
consciousness consciousness deepening

1869
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:08,300
effect DMT from my perspective is great

1870
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:11,210
stuff it's one of the things in our

1871
01:41:17,799 --> 01:41:14,719
bodies and in the plants that permits us

1872
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:17,809
to communicate with more profound more

1873
01:41:25,390 --> 01:41:21,050
sophisticated more real layers of

1874
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:25,400
reality if you will well I had no idea

1875
01:41:31,450 --> 01:41:28,010
what any of that was so that's that was

1876
01:41:36,609 --> 01:41:31,460
really interesting now I do want to talk

1877
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:36,619
a little bit about what started you down

1878
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:38,090
I usually ask this in the beginning of

1879
01:41:41,620 --> 01:41:40,130
the show but what started you down the

1880
01:41:45,580 --> 01:41:41,630
path with looking into all these

1881
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:45,590
different sort of like paranormal maybe

1882
01:41:50,259 --> 01:41:48,170
a little or very interesting things like

1883
01:41:53,859 --> 01:41:50,269
the underground bases and things like

1884
01:42:00,160 --> 01:41:53,869
that what started you or not well it was

1885
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:00,170
more a question of the non-ordinary or

1886
01:42:07,330 --> 01:42:05,090
the real side of reality coming to look

1887
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:07,340
at me rather than other way around

1888
01:42:14,319 --> 01:42:10,880
it started at the age of three when an

1889
01:42:19,689 --> 01:42:14,329
entity whom I called the bone lady came

1890
01:42:23,830 --> 01:42:19,699
to visit me I was a sickly little boy in

1891
01:42:28,330 --> 01:42:23,840
1958 in Tidewater Virginia I almost died

1892
01:42:32,169 --> 01:42:28,340
when I was a young child in and I was

1893
01:42:32,589 --> 01:42:32,179
out on there the screen porch with my

1894
01:42:37,149 --> 01:42:32,599
brother

1895
01:42:39,790 --> 01:42:37,159
one spring day in 1958 and playing we're

1896
01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:39,800
just playing simple little game sitting

1897
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:42,230
on the floor I was three he was about

1898
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:44,410
four and a half years old

1899
01:42:55,260 --> 01:42:51,330
and my attention was suddenly drawn to a

1900
01:42:57,810 --> 01:42:55,270
female entity standing on the eaves of

1901
01:43:02,430 --> 01:42:57,820
the house peering over the gutter

1902
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:02,440
through the screen at me she had me

1903
01:43:09,390 --> 01:43:06,610
right away I just turned in she

1904
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:09,400
downloaded a lot of information to me

1905
01:43:17,370 --> 01:43:13,450
she was tall rather gaunt with a dark

1906
01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:17,380
long flowing garment female I called her

1907
01:43:22,260 --> 01:43:20,230
the bone lady instinctively you know

1908
01:43:24,750 --> 01:43:22,270
when you're 3 years old you don't know

1909
01:43:30,780 --> 01:43:24,760
that many words but I called her the

1910
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:30,790
bone lady and my brother was riveted he

1911
01:43:37,470 --> 01:43:33,520
he didn't respond for him

1912
01:43:41,370 --> 01:43:37,480
she froze him it was all for me or maybe

1913
01:43:45,260 --> 01:43:41,380
he was not open to it in any event she

1914
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:45,270
downloaded a lot of information to me

1915
01:43:54,750 --> 01:43:48,610
some of which I can discuss and we'll

1916
01:43:57,300 --> 01:43:54,760
the the part I would discuss publicly is

1917
01:44:00,990 --> 01:43:57,310
that they're two parts of it that a

1918
01:44:06,210 --> 01:44:01,000
terrible dark grim time was coming was

1919
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:06,220
on the way of when trouble and sure

1920
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:10,770
enough it is arriving we already hear

1921
01:44:19,860 --> 01:44:15,730
people for the majority of humanity it's

1922
01:44:23,190 --> 01:44:19,870
already here and on the other hand that

1923
01:44:29,340 --> 01:44:23,200
it wouldn't necessarily have to be that

1924
01:44:33,450 --> 01:44:29,350
way that I and other human beings have

1925
01:44:37,890 --> 01:44:33,460
the capability to greatly advance of

1926
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:37,900
consciousness and create a kind of a

1927
01:44:44,540 --> 01:44:42,000
paradise here on earth we don't have to

1928
01:44:46,740 --> 01:44:44,550
kill each other we don't have to

1929
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:46,750
literally stab each other and all these

1930
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:50,110
I mean you read the news these days and

1931
01:44:55,860 --> 01:44:52,930
a horrific got off for crimes people

1932
01:44:56,279 --> 01:44:55,870
just doing unspeakably vicious things

1933
01:45:00,029 --> 01:44:56,289
and you

1934
01:45:01,619 --> 01:45:00,039
you just say my god what's going on and

1935
01:45:04,919 --> 01:45:01,629
that's what the bone lady was revealing

1936
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:04,929
to me that just terrible demonic time

1937
01:45:12,449 --> 01:45:09,280
was coming but it humanity has the

1938
01:45:16,979 --> 01:45:12,459
possibility to do and to be so much

1939
01:45:18,689 --> 01:45:16,989
better than that however we haven't you

1940
01:45:21,149 --> 01:45:18,699
know we're at the fork in the road and

1941
01:45:23,579 --> 01:45:21,159
then the bone lady laid it all right out

1942
01:45:26,369 --> 01:45:23,589
for me and others is there's this ugly

1943
01:45:29,489 --> 01:45:26,379
hideous ghastly Road that you can go

1944
01:45:32,399 --> 01:45:29,499
individually and as a species and if you

1945
01:45:35,250 --> 01:45:32,409
do good I'd help you because he'll lives

1946
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:35,260
that way on the other hand you can

1947
01:45:41,009 --> 01:45:38,249
decide to go the other way and advanced

1948
01:45:43,139 --> 01:45:41,019
individually and as a species into very

1949
01:45:45,899 --> 01:45:43,149
high levels of consciousness and love

1950
01:45:50,129 --> 01:45:45,909
and compassion and empathy and knowledge

1951
01:45:54,599 --> 01:45:50,139
and wisdom and in that case your destiny

1952
01:45:56,609 --> 01:45:54,609
will be wonderful I mean so it's it's

1953
01:45:59,849 --> 01:45:56,619
for you to choose individually and as a

1954
01:46:02,789 --> 01:45:59,859
species as a global species which do you

1955
01:46:05,419 --> 01:46:02,799
want do you want hell or do you want

1956
01:46:08,579 --> 01:46:05,429
paradise it's your choice at this point

1957
01:46:11,969 --> 01:46:08,589
it seems like the group decision is

1958
01:46:18,869 --> 01:46:11,979
tending more towards hell than to heaven

1959
01:46:22,559 --> 01:46:18,879
because we are in big trouble well I

1960
01:46:25,559 --> 01:46:22,569
would tend to agree with you on on a lot

1961
01:46:29,309 --> 01:46:25,569
of that we have about I'd say we have

1962
01:46:31,379 --> 01:46:29,319
about five or six minutes left so one of

1963
01:46:35,099 --> 01:46:31,389
the things you would like to talk about

1964
01:46:38,579 --> 01:46:35,109
I guess is a false reality versus real

1965
01:46:41,929 --> 01:46:38,589
reality that's exactly what I've been

1966
01:46:46,739 --> 01:46:41,939
talking about humanity is chosen chosen

1967
01:46:48,750 --> 01:46:46,749
false reality by and large I almost ran

1968
01:46:51,359 --> 01:46:48,760
into a young woman on the sidewalk today

1969
01:46:53,639 --> 01:46:51,369
she's walking down the sidewalk in the

1970
01:46:56,759 --> 01:46:53,649
middle of a large city people coming and

1971
01:47:01,469 --> 01:46:56,769
going behind in front on her side and

1972
01:47:03,659 --> 01:47:01,479
she's texting on a handheld cell phone

1973
01:47:07,049 --> 01:47:03,669
or iPhone or something and she's doing

1974
01:47:09,100 --> 01:47:07,059
text messages you talk about false

1975
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:09,110
reality she's oblivious

1976
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:11,600
to what's going on around her and she's

1977
01:47:17,620 --> 01:47:14,239
in this digital technology this little

1978
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:17,630
digital electronic device all wrapped up

1979
01:47:24,930 --> 01:47:22,130
in this I saw a cartoon a day or two ago

1980
01:47:27,580 --> 01:47:24,940
where there's a long line of people and

1981
01:47:30,129 --> 01:47:27,590
they've all got these little handheld

1982
01:47:32,830 --> 01:47:30,139
electronic devices they're texting on it

1983
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:32,840
and they're following one after the

1984
01:47:44,830 --> 01:47:42,430
that's the good one and you know I've I

1985
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:44,840
remember even years ago I watched a

1986
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:49,250
woman texting was like four years ago I

1987
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:52,250
was taking a bus from the airport

1988
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:54,050
and the woman was right and stopped

1989
01:47:57,939 --> 01:47:56,480
right in the crosswalk texting while the

1990
01:48:00,040 --> 01:47:57,949
bus had to slam on the brakes

1991
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:00,050
it's unbelievable well that that's right

1992
01:48:04,180 --> 01:48:02,330
every day people are getting killed in

1993
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:04,190
traffic accidents because they're going

1994
01:48:09,550 --> 01:48:06,530
down the interstate highway that's 75

1995
01:48:11,410 --> 01:48:09,560
miles per hour and they're not even

1996
01:48:14,350 --> 01:48:11,420
watching the highway their their text

1997
01:48:19,060 --> 01:48:14,360
messaging they are so caught up in this

1998
01:48:23,109 --> 01:48:19,070
little electronic reality in their hand

1999
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:23,119
that they even ignore the world around

2000
01:48:28,300 --> 01:48:25,130
them to the extent that they jeopardize

2001
01:48:30,879 --> 01:48:28,310
physically jeopardize in real-time their

2002
01:48:33,790 --> 01:48:30,889
own life and the lives of others around

2003
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:33,800
them they real reality is not good

2004
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:35,920
enough they've got to have this little

2005
01:48:40,090 --> 01:48:38,690
technological reality that they hold in

2006
01:48:42,490 --> 01:48:40,100
their hand and what are they what are

2007
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:42,500
they texting about yeah yeah I'll meet

2008
01:48:47,229 --> 01:48:45,110
you at the at the Olive Garden in 15

2009
01:48:48,820 --> 01:48:47,239
minutes blam and they never get there

2010
01:48:51,129 --> 01:48:48,830
because they turn themselves in a

2011
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:51,139
hamburger three and a half seconds later

2012
01:48:58,510 --> 01:48:53,449
and I'm not exaggerating it happens

2013
01:49:02,620 --> 01:48:58,520
every day right right humanity humanity

2014
01:49:06,129 --> 01:49:02,630
we're making some some insane choices I

2015
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:06,139
have a cell phone and most of the time

2016
01:49:11,649 --> 01:49:10,610
like 99.99% of time the battery is not

2017
01:49:18,459 --> 01:49:11,659
they've been in it

2018
01:49:24,830 --> 01:49:21,430
well of course I take the battery out

2019
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:24,840
because it annoys the hell out of ya

2020
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:26,250
there's there's a lot of talk about

2021
01:49:30,740 --> 01:49:28,890
people people calling people calling me

2022
01:49:34,970 --> 01:49:30,750
and then I get a good bing-bong

2023
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:34,980
bing-bong it's vibrating and it says

2024
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:37,920
something like Jennifer Lopez is in

2025
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:44,370
Mexico City well also it's not they

2026
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:46,710
don't even know what this the cellphones

2027
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:50,370
you know are doing to us that they're

2028
01:49:54,620 --> 01:49:52,170
they only they've only been around for

2029
01:49:57,229 --> 01:49:54,630
like 20-something years so the long-term

2030
01:50:00,340 --> 01:49:57,239
effects could actually be pretty bad you

2031
01:50:03,260 --> 01:50:00,350
know I mean I know a way way out of it

2032
01:50:06,170 --> 01:50:03,270
no no I don't think we're off topic I

2033
01:50:09,260 --> 01:50:06,180
don't know what our topic is our topic

2034
01:50:12,500 --> 01:50:09,270
is whatever we're talking about okay and

2035
01:50:14,780 --> 01:50:12,510
so um well I don't feel compelled to say

2036
01:50:16,700 --> 01:50:14,790
this is on topic and that's off topic

2037
01:50:19,070 --> 01:50:16,710
you see that's the that's the matrix

2038
01:50:21,110 --> 01:50:19,080
right there keeping you inside inside

2039
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:21,120
the crowd don't don't get too close to

2040
01:50:25,850 --> 01:50:22,800
the edge there you know you might dumb

2041
01:50:27,970 --> 01:50:25,860
you might not like it over there or

2042
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:27,980
something something might happen that

2043
01:50:33,380 --> 01:50:30,570
never has never happened before and

2044
01:50:38,780 --> 01:50:33,390
that's how people are are controlled you

2045
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:38,790
know the tendency is to go right to the

2046
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:41,010
middle of the herd because that's where

2047
01:50:47,900 --> 01:50:44,370
it's secure on the other hand if you

2048
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:47,910
have any interest in escaping the only

2049
01:50:52,820 --> 01:50:50,489
position from which you can escape is

2050
01:50:54,979 --> 01:50:52,830
the very edge of the herd in other words

2051
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:54,989
the margins of the herd in other words

2052
01:51:01,720 --> 01:50:58,080
if you want to escape pretty well by

2053
01:51:04,580 --> 01:51:01,730
definition you will have to become a

2054
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:04,590
marginalized person because you cannot

2055
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:08,130
escape from the herd by burying yourself

2056
01:51:14,959 --> 01:51:11,760
in the very center of the herd that's

2057
01:51:17,870 --> 01:51:14,969
just the long the short of it mm-hmm we

2058
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:17,880
have we have just a minute left or so

2059
01:51:23,420 --> 01:51:21,210
can you tell the audience again where

2060
01:51:27,540 --> 01:51:23,430
they would find your your blogspot

2061
01:51:30,359 --> 01:51:27,550
website absolutely it's you

2062
01:51:35,069 --> 01:51:30,369
event horizon Chronicle dot blog

2063
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:35,079
spot.com that's event horizon Chronicle

2064
01:51:41,780 --> 01:51:39,730
dot blog spot.com my books are listed in

2065
01:51:44,939 --> 01:51:41,790
the right-hand sidebar you have but to

2066
01:51:45,689 --> 01:51:44,949
click on the covers and my name is

2067
01:51:50,910 --> 01:51:45,699
Richard Sauter

2068
01:51:53,100 --> 01:51:50,920
si you de are very good Richard it's

2069
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:53,110
been a it's been a real pleasure very

2070
01:51:57,780 --> 01:51:55,360
interesting very interesting topics

2071
01:52:00,299 --> 01:51:57,790
that's for sure you know you're right we

2072
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:00,309
did when I call it off topic I you know

2073
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:02,530
mostly it's a UFO show people come to

2074
01:52:05,870 --> 01:52:04,570
listen to that but I think what we

2075
01:52:09,899 --> 01:52:05,880
talked about was certainly fascinating

2076
01:52:12,899 --> 01:52:09,909
enough and how do we know that we're not

2077
01:52:14,729 --> 01:52:12,909
in a vast holographic program being

2078
01:52:18,180 --> 01:52:14,739
broadcast from

2079
01:52:19,799 --> 01:52:18,190
a giant UFO that's right hey well we got

2080
01:52:22,140 --> 01:52:19,809
to go for now so I want to thank you

2081
01:52:23,939 --> 01:52:22,150
very much and I want to thank a couple

2082
01:52:25,709 --> 01:52:23,949
of other people out there

2083
01:52:27,629 --> 01:52:25,719
Peggy shunning who's on the road right

2084
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:27,639
now I want to thank her for managing the

2085
01:52:32,540 --> 01:52:28,719
Facebook page

2086
01:52:34,709 --> 01:52:32,550
Carrie Lloyd Whitehouse for the music

2087
01:52:37,500 --> 01:52:34,719
Alejandro Rojas will be back with us

2088
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:37,510
next week so no fear on that so this is

2089
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,030
Martin Willis saying check us out next

2090
01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:42,400
week on the Dark Matter digital network